Memo to COJCOLDS: Give up on the coffee ban

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Re: Memo to COJCOLDS: Give up on the coffee ban

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Drifting wrote:If one were being strict to the adherence of the Word of Wisdom, temple reccommend interviews would include a 'weigh in' for the member.
sock puppet wrote:If a bishop did that, as a thinking, rational adult viewing D&C section 76, what do you think the SP or up line authority at the COB would do? Do you think it would be a reprimand from the upline for having been a thinking, rational adult rather than a local automaton implementing the COB's edicts, such as not suffering critical analysis being openly aired in local church meetings?
Drifting wrote:Definitely a reprimand, unless the Bishop invoked the fact that he had prayed about his decision and been given a witness by the Holy Spirit that what he was doing was right. If he claimed that they'd sack him...errmm....release him...despite that being the officially authorised method for knowing what is correct.

Drifting, you do know that there are religions that lace together rather loosely local congregations and their respective leaders, but that the local leader is the spiritual guide for the local congregation? You might want to check them out. In those instances, I would wholeheartedly agree that the buck of responsibility stops with the local leader. If he or she is not making responsible decisions and creating a culture of inclusivity and tolerance, including tolerance of critical thinking on religious topics, he or she is clearly culpable. Such a church might be just the ticket for you. You could have engaging religious discussions where critical analysis and new thoughts are welcomed and challenged--but in an intellectually challenging way, not a stifling way--all within the societal comfort of a 'brotherhood'.

Mormonism is a highly structured, top-down hierarchy. The Brethren/COB do not want the possibility of deviation by its members or local leaders. They want implementation of the COB edicts by the local leaders, and compliance and obedience by the local leaders and members. Mormonism is a great place for those that are adept corporate animals, taking and implementing directives from one's upline in how he or she shepherds those under his or her charge.

However, just as in the military, a junior officer is supposed to use his brain and common sense to some degree when receiving an order from a senior officer, and may face responsibility particularly if it is carried out in violation of general standing rules--such as the criminality of Lt. Walmart. Calley in the My Lai Massacre situation in Vietnam in March 1968--Mormon bishops could find themselves hung up for the way that they implement edicts from the Brethren/COB. However, unlike the military code that made killing non-enemy combatants, like the villagers of My Lai, a crime, the Brethren/COB has issued no general edict that members should be encouraged or even allowed to express their critical thoughts if they are incongruous with the Brethren/COB's edicts. In short, it sounds as if the local leaders you had in mind were just 'following orders'.
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Re: Memo to COJCOLDS: Give up on the coffee ban

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Sock,

I'm not looking for a replacement Church.
I like discussing Mormonism and this board completely serves my needs.

I do appreciate your comments though, cheers.
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sock puppet wrote:The Brethren/COB buckled to the scientific findings from DNA testing of human remains, and changed the official intro to the Book of Mormon, despite the prophets beginning with JSJr and lastly echoed by SWK, claiming the current Native Americans are Lamanite descendants.


The intro didn't need to be changed, but was changed to help eliminate confusion.
Anti-mormon assumptions is not the book and not Mormonism.

Given all the published medical studies in the last 20 years showing and extolling the health virtues of coffee drinking, isn't it time for the Brethren/COB to give up Brother Brigham's canard about elohim/jehovah not wanting us humans here on earth drinking coffee? Isn't it time to bury Brother Brigham's paranoid reaction to the rising coffee prices at Grand Central?


Despite the so-called "benefits" of any food, coffee STILL has a LOT of bad benefits.
Thus, there is no reason this will change.
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Drifting wrote:Well they seem to have given up the parts about eating meat only during winter or famines and the bit about only consuming things in moderation is definitely out of the window - judging by the amount of clinically obese Temple reccommend holders.


That's NOT what the Word of Wisdom actually states.
Anti-mormon perversion of our scripture is not truth and fact.

It states that "creeping things" like bugs, etc. should be "only" eaten during famine, winter, etc.

Further, other scripture makes clear that meat is to be eaten and not forbidden.
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sock puppet wrote:Supposedly the ban on alcohol is because some people can not use it in moderation, despite the studies showing moderate daily use is healthy.

Why not then ban meat altogether? There are a fair number of TBMs that are not able to use moderation in eating meat.


Like with Coffee, the BAD benefits of Alcohol STILL exist. There being "some" benefits to something doesn't mean it's ultimately good for you.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
That's NOT what the Word of Wisdom actually states.
Anti-mormon perversion of our scripture is not truth and fact.

It states that "creeping things" like bugs, etc. should be "only" eaten during famine, winter, etc.

Further, other scripture makes clear that meat is to be eaten and not forbidden.


12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.


That's a direct quote from D&C 89. Please point out to me in there where it mentions "creeping things". Thanks.
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Ldsfaqs,

Yes, there are still *some* benefits to drinking 7-up and eating doughnuts. That is why the WofW tells us not to partake of those too....er..

Regardless of what is healthy and what isn't, we have missed the point, right ldsfaqs? The point is that coffee is a little evil just like miniskirts. This is why I believe each coffee bean represents one soul of the 1/3 sent to OD. Every cup brewed in my favor helps me remember a few more souls. This is why coffee drinking is such a spiritual experience... for an apostate.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Despite the so-called "benefits" of any food, coffee STILL has a LOT of bad benefits.
Thus, there is no reason this will change.


List this "a lot".
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café crema wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:Despite the so-called "benefits" of any food, coffee STILL has a LOT of bad benefits.
Thus, there is no reason this will change.


List this "a lot".


Seriously ldsfags?

WTF is a bad benefit?

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Polygamy-Porter wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:Despite the so-called "benefits" of any food, coffee STILL has a LOT of bad benefits.
Thus, there is no reason this will change.




Seriously ldsfags?

WTF is a bad benefit?

Free showers at Auschwitz?

He must be serious, he used it twice.Image

ldsfaqs wrote:Like with Coffee, the BAD benefits of Alcohol STILL exist. There being "some" benefits to something doesn't mean it's ultimately good for you.
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