Can we assume people who think homosexuality is a choice

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Re: Can we assume people who think homosexuality is a choice

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This is an area that I have only recently changed my mind on. Before about 2008, I assumed it was for the most part, a choice made. This is what I was taught to believe from a young age and it just sort of stuck with me.

Since my world crashed, I started to re-evaluate my position.

On the other hand, I don't think I ever believed heterosexuality is a choice. I simply believed that God (in his great power/wisdom) would not create a person wired for anything but heterosexuality. I believed that deviation from that paradigm is rebellion against God.

Dear me, that sounds horrible! Looking back, I can't believe I felt that was in any way a divine idea. Sheesh.
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Re: Can we assume people who think homosexuality is a choice

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What I was taught was that those who are gay were given that predisposition as their "trial". And, they can choose to "overcome" that trial by ignoring their internal homosexuality instinct, and marrying someone of the opposite sex. If they do this, then in the next life, their attraction for people of the same sex will be taken away.
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liz3564 wrote:What I was taught was that those who are gay were given that predisposition as their "trial". And, they can choose to "overcome" that trial by ignoring their internal homosexuality instinct, and marrying someone of the opposite sex. If they do this, then in the next life, their attraction for people of the same sex will be taken away.


This bothers me on so many levels. Having worked with and been around gay people most of my life, the thought that they would some how be better in the next life if something this basic were taken away from them is ignorance. So I guess a gay black person can "look forward" to being white, delightsome and straight in the hereafter.

By the way what is the Churches stance on hermaphrodites? Do they get to choose what sex they will be in the next life? "Why would God do that to someone?"
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Fence Sitter wrote:By the way what is the Churches stance on hermaphrodites? Do they get to choose what sex they will be in the next life? "Why would God do that to someone?"


If only Elder Packer took questions at the open mike session of conference...
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Re: Can we assume people who think homosexuality is a choice

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Fence Sitter wrote:
This bothers me on so many levels. Having worked with and been around gay people most of my life, the thought that they would some how be better in the next life if something this basic were taken away from them is ignorance. So I guess a gay black person can "look forward" to being white, delightsome and straight in the hereafter.


Apparently not.

"If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory." (Apostle Mark E. Peterson, Race Problems - As They Affect The Church, Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954)


How could a gay, black person not be delighted with that prospect? Serving the white folks in heaven.
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Quasimodo wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:
This bothers me on so many levels. Having worked with and been around gay people most of my life, the thought that they would some how be better in the next life if something this basic were taken away from them is ignorance. So I guess a gay black person can "look forward" to being white, delightsome and straight in the hereafter.


Apparently not.

"If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory." (Apostle Mark E. Peterson, Race Problems - As They Affect The Church, Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954)


How could a gay, black person not be delighted with that prospect? Serving the white folks in heaven.


But here's the conundrum.
The CK only contains righteous people and SWK tells us that righteous black people turn white.
That being the case, how would a CK dweller spot a servant when they needed a drink fetching?
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Drifting wrote:[
That being the case, how would a CK dweller spot a servant when they needed a drink fetching?


It would be the dude with less than three wives, duh!!!

(Or any unmarried sweet sister.)
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Re: Can we assume people who think homosexuality is a choice

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Fence Sitter wrote:
Drifting wrote:[
That being the case, how would a CK dweller spot a servant when they needed a drink fetching?


It would be the dude with less than three wives, duh!!!

(Or any unmarried sweet sister.)


No, it would be the dude with the husband...
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Re: Can we assume people who think homosexuality is a choice

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Drifting wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:
How could a gay, black person not be delighted with that prospect? Serving the white folks in heaven.


But here's the conundrum.
The CK only contains righteous people and SWK tells us that righteous black people turn white.
That being the case, how would a CK dweller spot a servant when they needed a drink fetching?


I think the doctrine back then was you look for the one eating fried chicken and watermelon. Just because their skin color changes doesn't mean their diet will.
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Re: Can we assume people who think homosexuality is a choice

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Drifting wrote:

No, it would be the dude with the husband...


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