Runtu is right: you can find examples of these things in both apologists and critics. All that said, I think that you tend to see it in more concentrated form amongst the Mopologists. And I know you're fond of bashing the people on this messageboard, Ray, but the fact is that, in terms of critics and critical venues, you don't get the kind of censorship here that one sees on MDD or on RfM.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
Doctor Scratch wrote:Runtu is right: you can find examples of these things in both apologists and critics. All that said, I think that you tend to see it in more concentrated form amongst the Mopologists. And I know you're fond of bashing the people on this messageboard, Ray, but the fact is that, in terms of critics and critical venues, you don't get the kind of censorship here that one sees on MDD or on RfM.
I think the censorship on MDDB is nothing short of appalling. A disgrace. A disgrace not only them, but to their religion. One bigoted board I'd never even dream of going on again.
Darth can say whatever he likes, and make a total ass of objectivity. As far as I'm concerned, he's the very sort of person I feared in Mormonism. He's just transferred his bigotry and prejudices to ex-Mormonism.
Doctor Scratch wrote:Runtu is right: you can find examples of these things in both apologists and critics. All that said, I think that you tend to see it in more concentrated form amongst the Mopologists. And I know you're fond of bashing the people on this messageboard, Ray, but the fact is that, in terms of critics and critical venues, you don't get the kind of censorship here that one sees on MDD or on RfM.
I think the censorship on MDDB is nothing short of appalling. A disgrace. A disgrace not only them, but to their religion. One bigoted board I'd never even dream of going on again.
Darth can say whatever he likes, and make a total ass of objectivity. As far as I'm concerned, he's the very sort of person I feared in Mormonism. He's just transferred his bigotry and prejudices to ex-Mormonism.
He's a [personal attack deleted].
1. CHARACTER ASSASSINATION.
Extremists often attack the character of an opponent rather than deal with the facts or issues raised. They will question motives, qualifications, past associations, alleged values, personality, looks, mental health, and so on as a diversion from the issues under consideration. Some of these matters are not entirely irrelevant , but they should not serve to avoid the real issues.
Extremists object strenuously when this is done to them, of course!
2. NAME-CALLING AND LABELING.
Extremists are quick to resort to epithets (racist, subversive, pervert, hate monger, nut, crackpot, degenerate, un-American, anti-semite, red, commie, nazi, kook, fink, liar, bigot, and so on) to label and condemn opponents in order to divert attention from their arguments and to discourage others from hearing them out. These epithets don't have to be proved to be effective; the mere fact that they have been said is often enough.
6. TENDENCY TO VIEW THEIR OPPONENTS AND CRITICS AS ESSENTIALLY EVIL.
To the extremist, opponents hold opposing positions because they are bad people, immoral, dishonest, unscrupulous, mean-spirited, hateful, cruel, or whatever, not merely because they simply disagree, see the matter differently, have competing interests, or are perhaps even mistaken.
Darth J wrote: You hurt my feelings, Ray. I am very sad now.
You have feelings? LOL.
I thought you were "past feeling". When you stop mocking, criticising, and denigrating every and anything Mormon, and act like a grown up adult instead of a spoilt brat with a crocodile-size grudge on his shoulders, I might take you seriously.
Go ahead and throw away your religious tradition, Darth. Mock it, denigrate it, scorn it, and ridicule it for all the world to see. You do a fine service to humanity. Pat yourself on the back for the growing ridicule of the religion you were born (or converted) into (?).
Keep the quotes coming, and keep missing the whole point. Enjoy your fifteen minutes of fame here, and when one day you lie down in sorrow, don't hesitate to call upon the God you have so mercilessly ridiculed.
Ray, forgive me if I am putting words into your mouth.
I think you are making the point that Zealotry and Fanaticism are generally harmful attributes no matter from any belief stand point.
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