Robbery in Eden

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Re: Robbery in Eden

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Fence Sitter wrote:
How does the serpent tempt Eve before she knows good from evil?


Is that required?

How is Eve responsible for her actions without knowing their consequences?
Is that required?
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Fence Sitter wrote:
How does the serpent tempt Eve before she knows good from evil?


How is Eve responsible for her actions without knowing their consequences?

Hoops wrote:Is that required?


Is it not required?
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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Re: Robbery in Eden

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Fence Sitter wrote:
Is it not required?

Seems to be for you. Why?
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Re: Robbery in Eden

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Blixa wrote:Zeez, this is my favorite version of the Garden of Eden story:

The Garden of Love

I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen:
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut,
And Thou shalt not' writ over the door;
So I turn'd to the Garden of Love,
That so many sweet flowers bore,

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tomb-stones where flowers should be:
And Priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires.

William Blake


Anyone else thinking the Chapel gates are a metaphor for the vagina? Anyone?

H.
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Re: Robbery in Eden

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Hoops wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:
Is it not required?

Seems to be for you. Why?

Nope not for me. I don't believe Eve existed.

Maybe if I re-phrase the question you will answer it.

Did Eve know right from wrong before she ate the apple?
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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Re: Robbery in Eden

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Bond James Bond wrote:I assumed she was a dupe, perhaps even a communist dupe.

But quips aside, I want to read through the further writings about Adam and Eve such as the "Life of Adam and Eve" (see link below) which goes further about the Fall including Eve's story. Not exactly canon but you seen to be far beyond canon at this point Zeez. Might want to check it out for kicks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_of_Adam_and_Eve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_of_Ad ... rnal_links
http://www2.iath.virginia.edu/anderson/

Mr. Bond,

This is new for me. I enjoyed it. Thank you.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

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liz3564 wrote:For a fun read, take a look at this:

http://www.amazon.com/Diaries-Adam-Eve- ... 0965881199

I will!
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

The Holy Sacrament.
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Re: Robbery in Eden

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Blixa wrote:Zeez, this is my favorite version of the Garden of Eden story:

The Garden of Love

I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen:
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut,
And Thou shalt not' writ over the door;
So I turn'd to the Garden of Love,
That so many sweet flowers bore,

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tomb-stones where flowers should be:
And Priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires.

William Blake


I enjoyed reading this a few times. Thanks.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

The Holy Sacrament.
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Re: Robbery in Eden

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LDSToronto wrote:Anyone else thinking the Chapel gates are a metaphor for the vagina? Anyone?

H.


I want to say, "hell, no," but maybe there's a layer here of what organized Christianity wants the vagina to be.
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Re: Robbery in Eden

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Lucretia MacEvil wrote:
LDSToronto wrote:Anyone else thinking the Chapel gates are a metaphor for the vagina? Anyone?

H.


I want to say, "hell, no," but maybe there's a layer here of what organized Christianity wants the vagina to be.


Well, before I joined the church, I have vague recollections of Eden and Eve being symbolic of sexuality and all things sexy in pop culture.

God, I'm starting to sound like Why Me....

H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level."
~ Ernest Becker
"Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death."
~ Simone de Beauvoir
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