How does a believer justify 1 Cor. 14:34-35?

[_zeezrom]

Hi Ms. Jack,

Thank you for taking the time with that detailed response. My post was sort of a lame drive-by. I wrote it in the heat of the moment while watching a sad movie in which a bishop quotes from these verses shortly before Hypatia is murdered.

I'm sure those verses could not be painted in a worse light.

I'm sure much has been written on this subject for it is sort of embarrassing to have such words in God's Canon in today's society. Honestly, if ancient texts were devoid of the silly blunders like this, one would start to wonder if the books even had anything to do with us at all. If all I did was sit here and get mad about all the crappy sexist, judgmental, and egotistical words of the ancients, I would get nowhere.

[_bcspace]

I'm glad you appreciated the movie. But none of these explanations means anything at all. The fact of the matter is that the LDS Church accepts the verses as scripture and the doctrine on them is as I presented.

[_Hoops]

It is my belief that it arose out of the culture of the times. It would have been a source of scandal against the fledgling church.

Hence Paul's scriptural response, imho.

[_sock puppet]

Same with this, I suppose.


"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Yeah, god's word is just riddled with the same error by different authors. Couldn't have come from god, though, because we're more enlightened than that, god knows all, so chalk up those now antiquated 'missteps' to man--interesting more than one man makes the very same mistake, and god allows the mistake to be perpetrated for centuries. Must mean it is a pretty low priority item on god's totem pole.

[_Hoops]

Yeah, god's word is just riddled with the same error by different authors.

Or, perhaps, God's word corrects the same errors born from the same culture. But that's being too generous. Much easier to just dismiss any explanation because that would take work.

[_zeezrom]

Or, perhaps, God's word corrects the same errors born from the same culture. But that's being too generous. Much easier to just dismiss any explanation because that would take work.

Are you referring to God's use of contradiction? Is this one of His tools for the education of Man?

[_MsJack]

Or, perhaps, God's word corrects the same errors born from the same culture. But that's being too generous. Much easier to just dismiss any explanation because that would take work.

Are you referring to God's use of contradiction? Is this one of His tools for the education of Man?

No. Hoops is saying that he's an advocate of view #2 from my post. He thinks 1 Cor. 14:34-35 was a quotation of an errant member of the Corinthian congregation who was teaching that women should remain silent in the churches, and that Paul was correcting and refuting that person in v. 36-40. To him, the passage should be understood:

What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each man or woman has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up. If any man or woman speaks in a tongue, two--or at the most three--should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church; let them speak to themselves and to God. Two or three prophets (whether male or female) should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. And if a revelation comes to a man or woman who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. For God is not a God of disorder but of peace--as in all the congregations of the Lord's people. "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." What?! Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If any men or women think they are prophets or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. Those who ignore this will themselves be ignored. Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

Ergo, to Hoops, it doesn't make much sense to be irritated with God over the passage.

You know I respect you, zeezrom, and I understand the need to vent sometimes, but if you don't even want to consider that there could be answers to the issues you raise, then I don't see much point in raising them.

[_zeezrom]

Did you see my reply to your first post, MsJack?

[_MsJack]

Did you see my reply to your first post, MsJack?

Yes.

[_moksha]

In 1 Corinthians 11:4 notice that Paul jumps right in about the "head covering" and says, "Every man (this case literally means male in the Greek) praying or prophesying having his head covered, dishonors his head." But in verse 5 he says, "But EVERY WOMAN (FEMALE) that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head..."

We can see the incompleteness of the Bible by noting that nothing is said about the dishonor of having more than one pair of earrings.