G.Palmer Mormon Discussions Podcast on Joseph Smith Sexual Allegations

[_harmony]

Grant Palmer is resigning? After all this time?

Listen to part three of the podcast. He felt he was left with the choice to resign or be excommunicated, so he resigned.

I can't. The link won't load. So I asked. Sorry.

[_Fence Sitter]

I can't. The link won't load. So I asked. Sorry.

No problem.

Basically what happened was a few year back he was dis fellowshipped for his book "An Insiders View". It was the court's understanding that he would no longer promote his book in order to keep his membership. He did an appearance on a PBS program recenty that portrayed his book (according to Grant he did not know they were going to use it) and as a result his stake president was going to hold a second court. When he inquired what he could do to avoid excommunication he was told he would have to repudiate all his work and regain his testimony. He felt his only choice was to resign, since he did not want to go through another court.

[_Joe Geisner]

I can't. The link won't load. So I asked. Sorry.

Harmony, the first day when the interview is posted it is always the busiest for MS. I downloaded very early this morning and it was slow even then. I am sure as people start watching the Oscar's it will get better. Keep trying.

I have not listened to Grant's comments on Walmart Law, but I am very happy this discussion is taking place. When I read Lyndon Cook's amazing article in the late 1980s, I was shocked to discover that Law was really the person I had been taught was Joseph Smith and his character, and that Smith was really what I had been taught was Walmart Law and his character. What a shock for me! The fact Lyndon's article was published in BYU Studies 20 (Winter 1980), even made it more powerful for me as a student of Mormon history. It is available for free!:

https://byustudies.BYU.edu/showTitle.aspx?title=5507

I am convinced Walmart Law was on to something when he said this about Emma:
"Emma was a full accomplice of Joseph's crimes. She was a large, coarse woman, as deep a woman as there was, always full of schemes and smooth as oil. They were worthy of each other, she was not a particle better than he."

[_harmony]

No problem.

Basically what happened was a few year back he was dis fellowshipped for his book "An Insiders View". It was the court's understanding that he would no longer promote his book in order to keep his membership. He did an appearance on a PBS program recenty that portrayed his book (according to Grant he did not know they were going to use it) and as a result his stake president was going to hold a second court. When he inquired what he could do to avoid excommunication he was told he would have to repudiate all his work and regain his testimony. He felt his only choice was to resign, since he did not want to go through another court.

A bit disingenous don't you think? I mean, why else would PBS want to have him on their program? Is he famous for something else?

[_Fence Sitter]

A bit disingenous don't you think? I mean, why else would PBS want to have him on their program? Is he famous for something else?

Harmony,

I think if you can get the chance it would best to listen to him explain it. The way I understood it was he felt he was not supposed to 'promote' his book but he could still express his opinions. So may be he thought the interview was okay as long as he did not mention his book?

He does have another book out also that he wrote after "An insider's View".
The Incomparable Jesus". Published in 2005

[_RockSlider]

Wow, is all I can say, especially the William Law part.

Of course I was always taught Law was a traitor and a wicked man. Forty years of silence, and likely some fear for their lives.

wow, good listen.

[_Equality]

I'm very interested in hearing about his decision to resign. I wonder if it was prompted by additional church discipline coming down the pike or recommendation to do so by a PH leader, or if he finally just had enough?

His stake prez said he must repudiate every chapter of his origins book AND regain his testimony to forgo being excommunicated.

In other words, his stake president insisted that in order for him to retain his membership, he had to break the commandments and his temple covenants by being dishonest. To repudiate truth is to be dishonest and to lack integrity, two things the church claims to demand of its members.

[_harmony]

In other words, his stake president insisted that in order for him to retain his membership, he had to break the commandments and his temple covenants by being dishonest. To repudiate truth is to be dishonest and to lack integrity, two things the church claims to demand of its members.

His SP obviously hasn't been listening to the leadership's silence about church financials. Obviously transparency would not show honesty and integrity... else why avoid it so strenuously?

[_moksha]

I wish John Dehlin had added that it is more normal for prophets to have a libido than be cold fish. Even as fish, do cod not have a cod piece?

[_moksha]

Regarding the William Law podcast, I will be disheartened to read about Professor Midgley going through the Palmer garbage can looking for attack material. I want to hear some TBMs address the William Law podcast. It seems essential that this be addressed on a factual basis. I have never before heard as devastating information against the Church as this, so please don't doddle.