Spontaneous Life?

[_Ceeboo]

Although I have been (and remain) completely puzzled as to how spontaneous life just arose from inorganic matter 3.9 billion years ago, I wanted to offer those of you who believe this a chance to shelve, what I consider, to be this enormous mountain so I can ask a few questions.

So you're not okay with spontaneous one celled life coming into being 3.9 billion years ago but are okay with the spontaneous creation of fully functional humans a few thousand years ago?

You respond by asking me a question? (Bizarre)

Not only am I "okay with spontaneous creation", I would offer that I believe that humans were created (by the Creator) as we see them today.


Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Fence Sitter]

I do believe that, given the number of planets that exist in the Universe (billions x billions), it is almost a certainty that life exist on those other planets and that on some of those planets the processes you are asking about are happening right now.

Just my uninformed .02

No, it isn't. If a religionist had said anything like this, the dogs would be let off their leash. Let's see if any of their condescending rhetoric is available for this statement.

Hoop,

I am sorry I do not understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that you do not believe there is life on other planets, or that a religious person could not make such a claim without being criticized? Or other?

[_Hoops]

I am sorry I do not understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that you do not believe there is life on other planets,

I do not. I have seen no evidence of this. Have you?

or that a religious person could not make such a claim without being criticized?

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

[_Ceeboo]

Hello DrW

You seem like a generally sincere individual,

You seem to be potentially sincere as well. :)

and although I realize that it is probably a fool's errand in terms of changing your mind about you religious beliefs with evidence (creationism is a religious belief and therefore one for which no evidence is required), I will go ahead and put together a post that sets forth the evidence for abiogenesis

I agree that creation is a religious belief (I never suggested it was not)

I am beginning to wonder though, if macro-evolution is not aslo a mere belief that one must have faith in. (I will await your post to digest this further)

explains how is likely to have happened.

That sounds like a faith statement.

What concerns me though is your question regarding why we do not observe abiogenesis now. This is a question that I am disappointed to hear from you. It is akin to the question that creationists ask of evolutionists as to why we don't seem to see many monkeys turning into humans nowadays.

So while I head off the put together a few facts for you on abiogenesis, please consider this question.

Please do not wonder or be concerned that I may be a creationist. I am indeed! :)

If scientists were to tell you that the moon was created as the result of the collision between a relatively smaller proto-planet and the Earth a few billion years ago, would you respond that you did not believe this simply because you cannot observe small planets colliding with the Earth today?

Is it asking too much to get an answer to the OP questions without asking me several questions?

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Hoops]

what???

See above.

[_Jersey Girl]

Ceeboo

Is it asking too much to get an answer to the OP questions without asking me several questions?

Yes No

[_Chap]

I hope someone skilled in biology will step up to the plate - my own training is not in that area of science. But two relevant notions I have met that relate to the "why no biogenesis observed now" question are along these lines:

In the period of early biogenesis there was:

(a) Not much free oxygen around. Had there been, the complex organic molecules needed for biogenesis would have been much less likely to have been available in aqueous solution.

(b) (By definition) no life around. Had there been, the chemical resources that were available for the formation of protobionts or prokaryotes would have been pre-empted.

Bump ...

[_Hoops]

I was going to call Ceeboo "Altar... something." But I feared my name calling would jettison the thread into the seelastya forum. Or whatever it's called.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

Ceeboo,
nothing spontaneous about life. life is a chemical process, and as such, is a result of earlier chemical processes.

[_Hoops]

. life is a chemical process

I would love to see this fleshed out (pun intended).

Unless it's a derailment, but I think it's germane.