Feelings

[_zeezrom]

These are questions I never thought to ask before a year ago, SP. Now, all I can say is maybe god needs entertainment. More likely, god is not capable of informing us, which is fine by me.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

The interesting thing is "feelings" given to you from the Holy Ghost are supposed to confirm right from wrong, thus negating the illusion of Free Will.

Regardless of the strength of those feelings or one's ability to understand those feelings you're held accountable for those feelings attributed to the Godhead.

You are not free to choose, and you're punished if you choose wrongly. <- That is not Free Will. That's totalitarianism.

- VRDRC

[_DrW]

My own experience is that sex is much stronger emotionally than praying about the Book of Mormon. Is there a Church of Sex that I should join?

This lady was in my ward a few years back. She may be what you are looking for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ellen_Tracy

Do you know what this woman actually did to rate a Wikipedia entry?

If being a Mormon and having a revelation that was acted upon contrary to Church doctrine at the time is sufficient, I know several other people (including my late father-in-law who actually wrote a book about his revelation(s) and had it published) who should have their own Wiki entries.

[_sock puppet]

When I pursued personal revelation, with a vengeance, over many years and with some success, I sensed the "still small voice" to be various individuals.

Who were these individuals? You thought that they varied?

family members that had passed

Were any of them not faith-abiding Mormons at the time of their deaths?

[_sock puppet]

The interesting thing is "feelings" given to you from the Holy Ghost are supposed to confirm right from wrong, thus negating the illusion of Free Will.

Regardless of the strength of those feelings or one's ability to understand those feelings you're held accountable for those feelings attributed to the Godhead.

You are not free to choose, and you're punished if you choose wrongly. <- That is not Free Will. That's totalitarianism.
- VRDRC

True enough, Doc. You clarify quite nicely that the fact that god's message (via HG) being non-verbal has more to do with being pliable enough to interpret non-verbal cues (like a burning bosom) in a way encouraged by other people (Mormons), rather than being without any signal so that you will have a free agency choice to make.

And why would this god prefer those willing to make a decision in the absence of relevant information (i.e., a guess as encouraged by other people) be preferred over those who make first gather relevant information and make informed decisions?

It seems this methodology prefers lemmings that go along with the crowd (peer pressure) to those that would only make and act on informed decisions. This god would make for a piss-poor CEO if he populates his organization with such people.

[_sock puppet]

These are questions I never thought to ask before a year ago, SP. Now, all I can say is maybe god needs entertainment. More likely, god is not capable of informing us, which is fine by me.

So what's the evidence for this god if not a source of information we are receiving? JSJr was able to build a church now numbering in the millions by pointing to the Book of Mormon, the FV, etc--instances of god capably informing us--that was the evidence of this god's existence.

[_zeezrom]

So what's the evidence for this god if not a source of information we are receiving?

I have nothing whatever to offer in reply. I have no evidence. Not a thing. Shrug.

But my wife and I will be pinning and cutting a new pattern tonight. Divinity!

[_Jonah]

This lady was in my ward a few years back. She may be what you are looking for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ellen_Tracy

Which ward??

[_Juggler Vain]

This lady was in my ward a few years back. She may be what you are looking for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ellen_Tracy

Do you know what this woman actually did to rate a Wikipedia entry?

Per the Wikipedia entry: Sex with 2000 men as a sacred prostitute, a sex crime conviction, religious porn, and a run on the U.S. talk show circuit.

If being a Mormon and having a revelation that was acted upon contrary to Church doctrine at the time is sufficient, I know several other people (including my late father-in-law who actually wrote a book about his revelation(s) and had it published) who should have their own Wiki entries.

Why not give them one? Notable LDS Church apostates would interest a lot of people (even if LDS Church apostate prostitute/porn actors interest a larger audience).

-JV

[_RockSlider]

When I pursued personal revelation, with a vengeance, over many years and with some success, I sensed the "still small voice" to be various individuals.

Who were these individuals? You thought that they varied?

family members that had passed

Were any of them not faith-abiding Mormons at the time of their deaths?

Maternal Grandfather (member, never active), maternal, maternal Great Grandfather (member inactive), paternal, paternal Great Grandfather (very active TBM)

One or two others I did not recognize, but felt were family, the above list I knew into my teens before their deaths.

Its been a very long time since I sought out and had these experiences.