Family units in the Celestial Kingdom....

[_gdemetz]

I'm a little disappointed. I thought that I explained that clearly enough.

[Guest]

How come you can/will be excommunicated for something that current valid scripture allows?

I think you can figure that one out all by yourself. I will however remind you that Jacob Chapter 2 provides precedent to monogamy being a standard rule. So i don't think it's a strong issue that can be effectively used against the church.

When D&C 132 was written, the new and everlasting covenant was polygamy.

I already pointed out to you that this is false. I pointed you to the verses in D&C 132 showing you are wrong. Shall be play "Yes-huh / Nu-huh" with each other?

[_madeleine]

My references:
D&C 132 which makes it clear you have to live polygamy to be worthy to enter the CK.

FAIL. D&C 132 makes it clear that those who remain separately and singly will be without exaltation but will be saved as angels (verse 17). It makes it clear that he who marries A WIFE (verse 19) will be exalted.

verse 19 references marrying a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, which at the time was polygamy. After the change in marriage practice, the new and everlasting covenant was changed to marriage.

by the way, both definitions of the new and everlasting covenant are so wrong. The New and Everlasting Covenant is Jesus Christ.

[_Zelder]

verse 19 references marrying a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, which at the time was polygamy. After the change in marriage practice, the new and everlasting covenant was changed to marriage.

by the way, both definitions of the new and everlasting covenant are so wrong. The New and Everlasting Covenant is Jesus Christ.

Nu-huh! One spouse is not separate or single.

Jesus being the NE covenant might interesting though. Why don't you expound on that one.

[_gdemetz]

Please, don't ask her or Albion to expound on something here! They don't understand the Bible, and then they are going to try to use Mormon scripture to teach us?!?

[_Albion]

Preach it, Madeleine....but always remember the whole Christian world is out of step but the Mormons who only read scripture to confirm what they have already been taught and decided rather than to allow the Spirit to reveal its truth to them. It's all about finding "proof texts" even if they have to take them out of context.

[_gdemetz]

That's funny! Albion is talking about receiving something by the spirit when he doesn't even believe in the New Testament doctrine of the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands! He denies the gift of the Holy Ghost, and yet he thinks he has knowledge from the Holy Ghost which has taught him that "You are gods" does not mean "You are gods"!!!

[_Albion]

gdemetz, once again you attribute things to me that are not true. In certain circumstances, such as those who underwent John's baptism to repentance and nothing else, the laying on of hands was used. This was not always the case despite the legalistic stance of Mormonism. Example: "Then Peter said, "Can anyone keep these people from being baptized. THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT just as we have." So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Acts 10:47. Clearly a case where the receiving of the Holy Spirit occured before baptism which demonstrates my point.

[_subgenius]

Well D&C 132 specifies the doctrine of multiple wives as a requirement for entry into the CK at least that's what it meant originally. Now it just means to be sealed to one woman. So we can deduce from the multiple interpretations of this scripture that there will be at least two variants of family in the CK.

I am not sure how it is you can equate "entrance requirement" with what the "basic family unit" will "look like" in the CK.
So, the implication, or rather, the conclusion that one must have X-number of wives to enter the CK and therefore one will maintain X, or X+1, or X-3 wives upon being in the CK is seemingly unfounded. The concept of what the "next level" of marriage is, with regards to the CK, is rather speculative and possibly assumptive on your part.

And as for the family unit described in the Proclamation being only applicable to life on earth...The proclamation addresses our relationship to God and the importance of marriage and family relationships in this life and in eternity.(Mormon.org)

I am not sure that it addresses the role of "family relationships" for eternity, but rather the importance of them to our eternity. Rather, I am not familiar with any doctrine that states exactly what happens to our families and our family relationships after we enter the CK.

[_gdemetz]

Albion, once again you are showing your ignorance. There is a difference in receiving the Holy Ghost, and the gift of the Holy Ghost! The Holy Ghost inspired those to be baptized because, unlike many here, their hearts were receptive to those promptings. Then, only after baptism, they received the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. This gift entitled them to the CONSTANT companionship of the Holy Ghost as long as one is worthy. Born of the water - baptism; born of the Spirit - the layiing on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost! You may think that this is foolishness and be like Namaan, but it will be to your misery if you do!