Abinadi's Convoluted Description of God

[_MCB]

Because of this, it may be too simplistic to argue from Joseph Smith's 1832 First Vision acount that he believed in only one God at the time.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

The only remarkably consistent thing about Joseph Smith was his remarkable inconsistency.

[_consiglieri]

After a few decades of correlated Mormonism, I am beginning to see lack of consistency as a virture.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_MCB]

After a few decades of correlated Mormonism, I am beginning to see lack of consistency as a virtue.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Given the inconsistencies within Mormonism, it is probably Gnostic in character. Therefore, variety among the believers should be characteristic.

[_Nightlion]

I have explained this and was of course never heard or explored and covetously ignored so as to minimize that I am a bright and shining light in this generation of darkness.

The entire world was created for you Nightlion, so that you, and you alone may find the answer while all of humanity missed it. Heaven... party of one. Nightlion, your table is waiting for you.

Thinking about this hurts me so bad I have to look away into the future and not think of the past. It was never intended that I be the only one. I should have been believed all along. There was never the slightest reason for the Mormons NOT to believe my testimony of the real gospel and its power to change you from the natural man to a saint; raised up to a higher state of existence. It was evident in my life to those who first heard me. Why did they hate me and push me out onto the fringe of the Mormon Wilderness? Why was I cast out? Why will MDD not allow me to ever say a word over there?

When I spoke of Christ and rejoiced in Christ and thought upon the glory of the coming Zion constantly, why did my best friends forsake me cold? I wanna know.

There is no faith on earth. Jesus even thought so looking at our day. Why is anyone even here talking about religion. None of you care. You all hate it. Get over it.

Luke 18: 8
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

[_moksha]

It is all somewhat complicated, and I believe others have done the heavy-lifting in putting together a chronology.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

One individual even demonstrated considerable craftsmanship in putting together the nine sections of the First Vision Quilt.

[_Juggler Vain]

It is all somewhat complicated, and I believe others have done the heavy-lifting in putting together a chronology.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

One individual even demonstrated considerable craftsmanship in putting together the nine sections of the First Vision Quilt.

Hey, I know that guy!



-JV

[Guest]

I have explained this and was of course never heard or explored and covetously ignored so as to minimize that I am a bright and shining light in this generation of darkness.

The entire world was created for you Nightlion, so that you, and you alone may find the answer while all of humanity missed it. Heaven... party of one. Nightlion, your table is waiting for you.

Thinking about this hurts me so bad I have to look away into the future and not think of the past. It was never intended that I be the only one. I should have been believed all along.

Don't you see the narcissism in this? God supposedly gives Joseph Smith and his occult seer stones the power to bring his restored gospel, yet you're the only one who interpreted it correctly? If you were right, then why wouldn't God make sure your interpretation be known? Do you ever consider that Joseph Smith was a charlatan who concocted a religion for his own personal gain? Seriously... how hard is it to fathom that Joseph Smith was a con man, and aside from what you're supposed to believe, was a liar?

http://mormonthink.com/joseph-smith-polygamy.htm

Joseph commanded to practice polygamy by an angel.

"The same God that has thus far dictated me and directed me and strengthened me in this work, gave me this revelation and commandment on celestial and plural marriage, and the same God commanded me to obey it. He said to me that unless I accepted it, and introduced it, and practiced it, I, together with my people would be damned and cut off from this time henceforth. We have got to observe it. It is an eternal principle and was given by way of commandment and not by way of instruction." - Prophet Joseph Smith, Contributor, Vol. 5, p. 259

http://www.irr.org/mit/Joseph-Smith-Pol ... nials.html

.What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers." (History of the Church, vol 6, p. 411) Joseph Smith made this statement preaching from the stand to the Latter-day Saints in Nauvoo on Sunday May 26, 1844. At the time he had secretly taken at over 25 plural wives.

Do you actually believe God would threaten Joseph Smith if he didn't break the seventh commandment? Is Joseph not a liar?

[_thews]

What part of an ever-changing account do you find confusing? You're talking about an account regarding seeing God, and imply these many different accounts are from someone telling the truth. At what point do you logically conclude they're all lies?

The part that makes it confusing is that the Lectures on Faith, in which the Father is described as a separate (though spirit) being from Jesus, is dated to the approximate time that Joseph Smith wrote the earliest First Vision account in which only one Lord appears to be mentioned.

Once again, the story doesn't align. You're the one who professes to believe in Joseph Smith's truth claims, and yet you question his differing accounts. At what point do you question the the truth claims of Joseph Smith as actually being true?

Because of this, it may be too simplistic to argue from Joseph Smith's 1832 First Vision account that he believed in only one God at the time.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Joseph Smith had a differing account on the Godhead because he was schooled after the Book of Mormon. If God (Jesus) really did give Joseph Smith his new gospel, what sense does it make to then change it from a monotheistic to henothesitic version years later? Does this make sense to you?

[_Nightlion]

Thinking about this hurts me so bad I have to look away into the future and not think of the past. It was never intended that I be the only one. I should have been believed all along.

Don't you see the narcissism in this? God supposedly gives Joseph Smith and his occult seer stones the power to bring his restored gospel, yet you're the only one who interpreted it correctly? If you were right, then why wouldn't God make sure your interpretation be known? Do you ever consider that Joseph Smith was a charlatan who concocted a religion for his own personal gain? Seriously... how hard is it to fathom that Joseph Smith was a con man, and aside from what you're supposed to believe, was a liar?

Nobody just naturally believed Jesus. He had to apply his faith and call his disciples. If Joseph Smith had never existed or ever wrote the Book of Mormon, I would have still come unto Christ precisely right because I was not led by tradition. I did not know before hand what was coming. I sought the Lord and he was gracious to open to me the same as all Bible saints.

But, the facts are that what happened to me IS written of in the Book of Mormon, and Joseph Smith taught it. Mormons did not grasp it at all. It has never been in their culture and its leadership is deaf, dumb and blind to it. Just like the Jews were blind to their own tradition where Ancient Saints were given a new heart from God filled with the love of God and they exercised great faith and gifts of the Spirit......same gospel......Mormons did not pick it up and the Jews let it fall to the ground as Christ marveled that the masters of Israel were ignorant of it.

Your envy of prophets can not help but hold all the Old Testament Saints narcissistic. Think about it. What's the difference? You deny it today you have to deny it always.

[_thews]

Nobody just naturally believed Jesus.

So you're on the course of Jesus? are you a God Nightlion?

He had to apply his faith and call his disciples. If Joseph Smith had never existed or ever wrote the Book of Mormon, I would have still come unto Christ precisely right because I was not led by tradition. I did not know before hand what was coming. I sought the Lord and he was gracious to open to me the same as all Bible saints.

You still don't get that Joseph Smith was just a man and was a con man.

But, the facts are that what happened to me IS written of in the Book of Mormon, and Joseph Smith taught it.

What facts? You mean the historicity of the Book of Mormon is true? Please provide me with one, and just mean one, piece of tangible evidence that the historicity of the Book of Mormon is true... just one.

Mormons did not grasp it at all.

And you do? So God's plan, as you see it, was to enlighten you with the truth. The world was created just for Nightlion to grasp the truth?

It has never been in their culture and its leadership is deaf, dumb and blind to it.

But you're different aren't you? The world was created for you, so that you may gaze into your mountain and know the truth. Doesn't matter that no one else gets it, but it does matter that you get it.

Just like the Jews were blind to their own tradition where Ancient Saints were given a new heart from God filled with the love of God and they exercised great faith and gifts of the Spirit......same gospel......Mormons did not pick it up and the Jews let it fall to the ground as Christ marveled that the masters of Israel were ignorant of it.

Mormons believe in the truth claims of Joseph Smith and his doctrine... the Jews and Christians reject Joseph Smith as a false prophet of God.

Your envy of prophets can not help but hold all the Old Testament Saints narcissistic.

My "envy"? Seriously? If you think I envy a false prophet of God you're fooling yourself, but that's hardly surprising, as you see yourself as some Christ-like entity that has secret knowledge... only no one listens to you but yourself.

Think about it. What's the difference? You deny it today you have to deny it always.

Think about it... Joseph Smith was just a man who lived in the early 1800's. He came across a book someone else wrote, laid claim to it and used it to manipulate little girls into having sex with him under the pretense he break the 7th commandment. If you wish to deny this, I have many facts to back up what I'm saying. What facts do you have?