If Mitt wins, will the Secret Service be allowed in temple?

[_Yoda]

There is nothing to worry about here. The only place where the population really thinks Romney has the slightest chance of winning is Utah. Rupert Murdock (principal owner of Fox News) has even tweeted that Romney can't win.

Right now Obama is setting at about 240 Electoral Votes and Romney has about 190 sewn up. With 270 as the magic number, Obama only has to take Florida (or Ohio, or Pennsylvania) and one or two other small count States to win.

Romney, on the other hand, pretty much has to sweep the swing States to win, and there is no chance of that happening now that the electorate has taken a look at him, not liked what they saw, and headed back to the incumbent.

Poll after poll shows that the big count swing States of Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, are moving steadily into the Obama Camp. Obama is now ahead in all three and pulling away, especially in Florida. The Romney campaign can't hope match the Obama organization in Florida, regardless of the money they have to spend. I worked on this team in 2008 and it was good then. It is better now. There are a lot of wealthy liberal Jews down in Florida who really do not like Romney - and they are fired up, as are the hispanics and other minorities.

So if you were worried about this bit of trivia, don't be. There are much better things to do with your time.

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Where are you getting your statistics from?

[_DrW]

There is nothing to worry about here. The only place where the population really thinks Romney has the slightest chance of winning is Utah. Rupert Murdock (principal owner of Fox News) has even tweeted that Romney can't win.

Right now Obama is setting at about 240 Electoral Votes and Romney has about 190 sewn up. With 270 as the magic number, Obama only has to take Florida (or Ohio, or Pennsylvania) and one or two other small count States to win.

Romney, on the other hand, pretty much has to sweep the swing States to win, and there is no chance of that happening now that the electorate has taken a look at him, not liked what they saw, and headed back to the incumbent.

Poll after poll shows that the big count swing States of Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, are moving steadily into the Obama Camp. Obama is now ahead in all three and pulling away, especially in Florida. The Romney campaign can't hope match the Obama organization in Florida, regardless of the money they have to spend. I worked on this team in 2008 and it was good then. It is better now. There are a lot of wealthy liberal Jews down in Florida who really do not like Romney - and they are fired up, as are the hispanics and other minorities.

So if you were worried about this bit of trivia, don't be. There are much better things to do with your time.

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Where are you getting your statistics from?

Thanks for asking.

Here is one for Florida:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-florida-president-romney-vs-obama

In fact, if you go here and scroll down, you can see the data from a number of different polls. All of the recent ones show Obama in the lead in Florida.

Below is the text of a supporting national poll from the UK. There are others. If you know of Polls that show Romney in the lead in any of these three States, I would be interested in seeing it. Clearly the election is too close to call this far out but the swing seems clearly back to Obama.
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Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania Swinging To Obama, Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds; Voters Back President On Immigration, Split On Economy

FLORIDA: Obama 45% - Romney 41%
OHIO: Obama 47% - Romney 38%
PENNSYLVANIA: Obama 45% - Romney 39%

Voters in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania support President Barack Obama's new immigration policy and are divided on whether the president or Gov. Mitt Romney would be better for their personal economic future, as they give Obama leads in these three critical swing states, a razor thin 4 points in Florida, a healthy 9 points in Ohio and 6 points in Pennsylvania, according to a Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll released today.

Matching Obama against Romney in each of these key states - no one has won the White House since 1960 without taking at least two of them - shows:
Florida: Obama edges Romney 45 - 41 percent;
Ohio: Obama over Romney 47 - 38 percent;
Pennsylvania: Obama tops Romney 45 - 39 percent.
"President Barack Obama has decent margins over Gov. Mitt Romney in Ohio and Pennsylvania and a smaller advantage in Florida. If he can keep those leads in all three of these key swing states through election day he would be virtually assured of re-election," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

[_Yoda]

I disagree with the forgone conclusion that NC and Indiana will go for Obama. I know that NC, in particular, is leaning strongly toward Romney.

Here is an article regarding Karl Rove's prediction:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/karl-ro ... und-state/

I live in NC, and the job situation here has really soured the folks here on Obama. Obama took NC in 2008. I voted for him then. But based on the job market, I will not vote for him again. Unless Obama can do something to stimulate the economy, like change his mind about the oil pipeline, I think he is seriously going to have a hard time. Let's face it. The ability to feed families outweighs religion.

[_harmony]

I live in NC, and the job situation here has really soured the folks here on Obama. Obama took NC in 2008. I voted for him then. But based on the job market, I will not vote for him again. Unless Obama can do something to stimulate the economy, like change his mind about the oil pipeline, I think he is seriously going to have a hard time. Let's face it. The ability to feed families outweighs religion.

The problem is, neither candidate cares about feeding families, unless they're the families of the rich and famous. The rich bankroll the political system.

[_Cylon]

Liz, here are some more generic poll results, although they are less useful since they don't do a state by state breakdown.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

[_MCB]

Thanks, Cylon, for that link. Meta-analysis holds great credibility for me.

Here is what I am following:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

[_karl61]

I'm sure there are Mormon secret service agents. But the secret service would need to sweep the place prior to the visit. That could get really intense as they would open and look through everything.

[_Nortinski]

There is nothing to worry about here. The only place where the population really thinks Romney has the slightest chance of winning is Utah. Rupert Murdock (principal owner of Fox News) has even tweeted that Romney can't win.

Right now Obama is setting at about 240 Electoral Votes and Romney has about 190 sewn up. With 270 as the magic number, Obama only has to take Florida (or Ohio, or Pennsylvania) and one or two other small count States to win.

Romney, on the other hand, pretty much has to sweep the swing States to win, and there is no chance of that happening now that the electorate has taken a look at him, not liked what they saw, and headed back to the incumbent.

Poll after poll shows that the big count swing States of Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, are moving steadily into the Obama Camp. Obama is now ahead in all three and pulling away, especially in Florida. The Romney campaign can't hope match the Obama organization in Florida, regardless of the money they have to spend. I worked on this team in 2008 and it was good then. It is better now. There are a lot of wealthy liberal Jews down in Florida who really do not like Romney - and they are fired up, as are the hispanics and other minorities.

So if you were worried about this bit of trivia, don't be. There are much better things to do with your time.

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Plus, I would imagine after September it's gonna be even harder for Romney to pick up votes.

Muahahahahahahahahaha

[_DarkHelmet]

It's still really early, but the electoral math doesn't look good for Romney. We'll see if there is any major shift after the conventions. Obama is still vulnerable because the unemployment rate has been so high for so long. Usually people want to shake things up at the top when the economy has stalled for this long.

[_lulu]

1. Romney already has Secret Service protection.

2. Temples already admit law enforcement, emergency personnel and code enforcement agents.

3. The protectee does not have an agent at his elbow, 24/7, however, he does have to be within a secure zone 24/7. Yes, Obama gets to go to the bathroom alone but no one without the proper clearance can get any where near the bathroom.

4. It would not strike me as strange if non-Mormon or non-temple reccommend holding security agents were admitted to the temple to set up the security zone for an endowment session by appointment. Although the DC temple is not one of the appointment only temples. It shouldn't be that hard to secure a temple, there's only one way in.

5. If the Secret Service insisted than an agent(s) be present in the ordinance room, I suspect they could find enough temple reccomend holders.

6. I think the bigger problem would be PR, either the announced schedule would show Mitt going to the temple or it would be blank for that block and the media would be all, "Oh, the president is off doing secret ritutals." Not exactly the image Mitt wants to project.


ETA thanks for the Electoral College breakdown, I'd wondered how it was going but hadn't checked it out.

Do you think Obama is headed for an Electoral College win but a popular vote loss?