My problem with atheism

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_thews
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Re: My problem with atheism

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zeezrom wrote:The way atheism is portrayed across the airwaves of the Internet feels cold and uninspiring. I sometimes feel like my bedroom has been transformed from 2012 Milan to 1950 East Berlin when I walk into any kind of atheism discussion.

Maybe the problem with atheists is they have no home? Maybe they are still in the throws of a cold war?

Maybe they just chose not to choose?

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/rush/freew ... 19963.html
Rush - Freewill

There are those who think that life is nothing left to chance,
A host of holy horrors to direct our aimless dance.

A planet of playthings,
We dance on the strings
Of powers we cannot perceive.
"The stars aren't aligned
Or the gods are malign"-
Blame is better to give than receive.

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that's clear-
I will choose Free Will.

There are those who think that they were dealt a losing hand,
The cards were stacked against them- they weren't born in lotus-land.

All preordained-
A prisoner in chains-
A victim of venomous fate.
Kicked in the face,
You can't pray for a place
In heaven's unearthly estate.

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that's clear-
I will choose Free Will.

Each of us-
A cell of awareness-
Imperfect and incomplete.
Genetic blends
With uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt that's far too fleet.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
_Quasimodo
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Re: My problem with atheism

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zeezrom wrote:Maybe the problem with atheists is they have no home? Maybe they are still in the throws of a cold war?


A very clever analogy. Atheists are in the same boat as true believers of any religion.
Neither know. For me, it's best to admit that I don't know. I'm happy with not knowing. I'd rather admit ignorance than pretend.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.

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Re: My problem with atheism

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Quasimodo wrote:
zeezrom wrote:Maybe the problem with atheists is they have no home? Maybe they are still in the throws of a cold war?


A very clever analogy. Atheists are in the same boat as true believers of any religion.
Neither know. For me, it's best to admit that I don't know. I'm happy with not knowing. I'd rather admit ignorance than pretend.


Yep. I've settled for "I'll deal with it when and if I'm faced by it".
2004 Rioja by the way....
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Re: My problem with atheism

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Drifting wrote:[
Yep. I've settled for "I'll deal with it when and if I'm faced by it".
2004 Rioja by the way....


Good response!

Not much chance of finding an 04 Rioja near by. I'll look. I have had some great Riojas.

Any chance that you might find some Central Coast California wines in your stores? I'll send you some tips if you think you might find them.
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Re: My problem with atheism

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zeezrom wrote:The way atheism is portrayed across the airwaves of the Internet feels cold and uninspiring. I sometimes feel like my bedroom has been transformed from 2012 Milan to 1950 East Berlin when I walk into any kind of atheism discussion.

Maybe the problem with atheists is they have no home? Maybe they are still in the throws of a cold war?

I think it is much richer to make decisions on information (and then act upon informed decisions) than the absence of it. For me, theism was 1950s East Berlin, and taking an evidence-based approach is Milan.
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Re: My problem with atheism

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for what it's worth, I am an atheist that keeps getting bothered by angels and gods.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

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Re: My problem with atheism

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zeezrom wrote:for what it's worth, I am an atheist that keeps getting bothered by angels and gods.


Don't say that too loud, you really WILL be hankered by others as a real nutjob....... :lol:
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Re: My problem with atheism

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zeezrom wrote:The way atheism is portrayed across the airwaves of the Internet feels cold and uninspiring. I sometimes feel like my bedroom has been transformed from 2012 Milan to 1950 East Berlin when I walk into any kind of atheism discussion.

Maybe the problem with atheists is they have no home? Maybe they are still in the throws of a cold war?


I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "no home", but am going to guess. Religion, in my opinion, is so pervasive due to the fact that it fills a real need of human beings: to belong. Atheism does not have an organization that offers the same comfort.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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Re: My problem with atheism

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zeezrom wrote:for what it's worth, I am an atheist that keeps getting bothered by angels and gods.

If you believe in the latter, then you can't be the former.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

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Re: My problem with atheism

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zeezrom wrote:for what it's worth, I am an atheist that keeps getting bothered by angels and gods.


I hear you, Zeez. I've been spending the last few days here...
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