Evangelicals warm to Romney

[_moksha]

If the choice is between a possible Muslim and a Mormon (both non-Christians), the evangelicals will go for the one whose moral values most closely align with Christianity.

So you're saying that Ibid Al Gibran has a chance at the Republican Convention.

[_Chap]

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If the choice is between a possible Muslim and a Mormon (both non-Christians), the evangelicals will go for the one whose moral values most closely align with Christianity.

While Obama claims to be a Christian, there is no real evidence of that, and he seems to be very sympathetic to Islam. ....

This post is representative of the ever-stronger current of ignorant imbecility that shapes a significant part of public discourse in the US.

Mutatis mutandis, you might hear the same kind of thing in Iran.

Edited to add: I have re-read my post, and have considered softening it. But I really cannot think of any other accurate way to describe 'Obama is a Muslim' discourse other than 'ignorant imbecility'.

[_gramps]

Catherine Aurelia wrote:

Would you like to be a Jew sitting in a plane just commandeered by a Muslim terrorist? Get a grasp of reality.......

Indeed.

Getting a grasp of reality seems to be quite difficult for some of us here.

Can you imagine anyone who would like to be sitting on a plane just commandeered by a Muslim terrorist?

Luckily, Obama would not need to worry, right?

[_Bond James Bond]

Obama seems to hate Israel, but doesn't wish to appear a traitor either.

If you ever realize that Israel is just another country and not the return of Zion meant to signal the return of Jesus you'll think more clearly about the matter. Israel is one of America's closest allies but we can't bend over backward for them (although we already do) and they need to find a two state solution.

[_Bond James Bond]

Sympathy toward Islam which teaches as part of its core doctrine the concept of Jihad.

So Obama should...wipe Islam off the face of the earth with the American military?

Would you like to be a Jew sitting in a plane just commandeered by a Muslim terrorist?

No. I wouldn't want to be a Muslim sitting on a plane commandeered by a Muslim terrorist either. Way to be extreme there. Would you like to be a Muslim day care worker taking care of kids when Timothy McVeigh comes to town?

Get a grasp of reality and begin to study the nature of Islam and the teachings of Mohammed. Very similar in many ways to Mormonism. I've read the Quran twice, have you?

I've read the Quran three times twice. I also am an atheist who thinks all religion is dogmatic and silly because religion is a major division between people in the world today.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I talked to a lot of Southern Baptists during the Republican primaries. Bottom line they're going to sit this one out. The only way Romney will win this election is by selecting Rubio as his running mate, take Florida, take the Northeast (good will from his Governor days), and then focus on the swing states.

Personally, I think President Obama will win by a wide margin. I just can't imagine a scenario where Americans will select a Mormon as President. Mormons don't realize just how disadvantaged they are when it comes to public relations and the general public.

As demographics shift a White male will have a harder and harder time securing political power. It's pretty clear people don't feel White men have their interests at heart... And after President Bush's run the American public understand the power base in this country simply doesn't give a crap about them, our communities, or the country at large.

- VRDRC

[_Uncle Dale]

I talked to a lot of Southern Baptists during the Republican primaries. Bottom line they're going to sit this one out.
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I'm trying to picture this in my mind. -- 20% of the Evangelicals
in Oklahoma stay home, another 5% mark their ballots in such a
way that Romney does not get their votes, and another 5%
actually switch over to voting Democratic ------- and Romney
still wins Oklahoma's 7 electoral votes.

Same thing in Idaho -- a bunch of Mormons stay home -- a
few Mormons neglect to vote for Romney -- and a handful
become temporary Democrats ------ and he wins Idaho's 4.

Same goes for Georgia, Nebraska, Kentucky, Indiana, etc. He
can afford to lose a hefty share of their Evangelical votes.

I think defections and disillusionment among the Evangelicals
will only matter in Iowa, North Carolina and possibly Virginia.

I'm also fairly certain that Romney will win the popular vote,
even though he comes out a few points behind with the
electoral vote.

As things get down to the wire in October, I would not be
surprised to see some prominent Evangelicals attending Fall
Conference, and addressing The Brethren with "Apostle," in
last minute attempts at showing their followers that the
Mormons are good Christians and would make good national
leaders (so long as their first name is not Harry).

UD

[_Servant]

Sympathy toward Islam which teaches as part of its core doctrine the concept of Jihad. Would you like to be a Jew sitting in a plane just commandeered by a Muslim terrorist? Get a grasp of reality and begin to study the nature of Islam and the teachings of Mohammed. Very similar in many ways to Mormonism. I've read the Quran twice, have you?

I have some close relatives who are Lutherans -- who speak of
Roman Catholics in despicable terms and who wish that the
Protestant Reformation had destroyed the "papists" in Bavaria, etc.

I still feel sympathetic towards these folks. But that does not
make me a Lutheran, nor a Christian. I feel equally sympathetic
towards the Catholics, and even the Mormons (with whom I
disagree radically on almost every single religious tenet).

So, if a President of the USA expresses equal sympathy for
atheists, Mormons, Muslims, and Jews, I would not hold that
fact against him -- and especially not, if he had family members
who belonged to one of those groups.

But the issue worth considering, is whether expressions of
sympathy towards some particular religion makes that sympathizer
a member.

Perhaps Obama is indeed a secret Arab terrorist. But, if so, then
the Government of the USA has done a terrible job of investigating
and acting upon that supposed fact.

Bush and Cheney had ample time to investigate Obama. The Clintons
had a vested interest in having him investigated. McCain & Palin
would have won their campaign, if they could have produced a
single witness to testify that Obama was a secret Muslim. Never
mind whether or not he sympathizes with terrorists -- the simple
fact that he was praying to Mecca five times a day would have
been enough to get McCain elected.

But, all of that is in the past. Now Romney has an opportunity to
investigate Obama's personal life. With his own massive wealth,
and the collected resources of several dozens of the world's
richest, most powerful people at his disposal, Romney can do a
better job than practically anybody on earth in exposing Obama.

That is -- if there is anything to expose.

And, if Romney wins the 2012 presidential race, he will have all
the keys of power resting in his hands one second after he
finishes repeating the oath of office.

If he gets that far, and does not arrest Obama immediately, then
I suppose that would prove Obama really was a legitimate US
President -- and we need not erase him from the history books
that we give our kids in school.

UD

Obama, who has a fast-break celebration after Ramadan in the White House but does not particpate in the National Day of Prayer - you mean that guy?

[_Chap]

Obama, who has a fast-break celebration after Ramadan in the White House but does not particpate in the National Day of Prayer - you mean that guy?

http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews_Files/images ... prcrel.pdf

NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER, 2012 -------
BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION
Prayer has always been a part of the American story, and
today countless Americans rely on prayer for comfort, direction,
and strength, praying not only for themselves, but for their
communities, their country, and the world.
On this National Day of Prayer, we give thanks for our
democracy that respects the beliefs and protects the religious
freedom of all people to pray, worship, or abstain according
to the dictates of their conscience. Let us pray for all the
citizens of our great Nation, particularly those who are sick,
mourning, or without hope, and ask God for the sustenance to
meet the challenges we face as a Nation. May we embrace the
responsibility we have to each other, and rely on the better
angels of our nature in service to one another. Let us be
humble in our convictions, and courageous in our virtue. Let us
pray for those who are suffering around the world, and let us be
open to opportunities to ease that suffering.
Let us also pay tribute to the men and women of our Armed
Forces who have answered our country's call to serve with honor
in the pursuit of peace. Our grateful Nation is humbled by the
sacrifices made to protect and defend our security and freedom.
Let us pray for the continued strength and safety of our service
members and their families. While we pause to honor those who
have made the ultimate sacrifice defending liberty, let us
remember and lend our voices to the principles for which they
fought -- unity, human dignity, and the pursuit of justice.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the
United States of America, do hereby proclaim May 3, 2012, as
a National Day of Prayer. I invite all citizens of our Nation,
as their own faith directs them, to join me in giving thanks for
the many blessings we enjoy, and I call upon individuals of all
faiths to pray for guidance, grace, and protection for our great
Nation as we address the challenges of our time.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this
first day of May, in the year of our Lord two thousand twelve,
and of the Independence of the United States of America the
two hundred and thirty-sixth.
BARACK OBAMA

You have a problem with that?

[_Uncle Dale]

Obama, who has a fast-break celebration after Ramadan in the White House but does not particpate in the National Day of Prayer - you mean that guy?

As I recall, his major message at the last National Day of Prayer
meeting, consisted of something like:

"Let us be humble in our convictions, and courageous in our virtue."

Now I may have that slightly wrong -- and I'd welcome your
correction if I've misquoted him. But the message was pretty
much the same as what I heard growing up, about how pious
humility need not take on the trappings of the Pharisees.

As for Ramadan -- I've been in a Muslim community during that
period, in southern Nepal. My friend and I quietly retired to his
apartment for lunch. We could have gone through the streets
eating pork sandwiches in the mid-day sun; but I really cannot
fathom what good that would have done us.

In a little over four years Obama will be out of public office --
and will probably be engaged in something like the Red Cross
or the World Wildlife Fund. Why not wait for that day and save
yourself the trouble of being upset with his responses to the
world's various religions.

If he is truly a Muslim, he will be dealt with under Sharia law, for
having been baptized into the Disciples of Christ many years ago.

We all know what the Muslim punishment for having a Christian
baptism consists of. If that fatwa "atonement" is not carried out
upon the guy, then I suppose we can rest assured that he was
not a Muslim earlier in life.

UD