Fresh fear mongering from ring master Holland

[_harmony]

They think their shortcomings in obedience or worthiness are responsible for their lack of success, but in almost every case it's just because they don't happen to posses the talents that make for an effective missionary.

Which are?

[_Cicero]

They think their shortcomings in obedience or worthiness are responsible for their lack of success, but in almost every case it's just because they don't happen to posses the talents that make for an effective missionary.

Which are?

Sales

[_harmony]

Sales

Exactly. It has nothing to do with the spirit, worthiness, or obedience.

The church's fixation on all things sexual is about power... and money, in the long run.

[_Yoda]

If there is a single LDS standard that, in my opinion, rises to the status of inexcusable, tragic stupidity, it is the prohibition on masturbation. Teenage boys, not to mention young women, who also engage in the practice, masturbate as part of their normal sexual-biological development. There is almost no scriptural support for a prohibition on masturbation, and, unlike the Word of Wisdom, which has a sensible prohibition on tobacco, an anti-masturbation commandment has no real health benefit. In fact, for adult males, not masturbating might increase the risk of prostate cancer.

I get commandments against viewing pornography. What I don't understand is the needless and damaging shaming that is inflicted on young people who, when they masturbate, are doing exactly what evolution or God arranged for the human body to do.

It is absurd to the point of being criminal, in my view.

I think that there is educational benefit to virgins (both males and females) masturbating. It allows them to understand their own bodies, which will help them in their sexual health when they get married.

[_harmony]

I think that there is educational benefit to virgins (both males and females) masturbating. It allows them to understand their own bodies, which will help them in their sexual health when they get married.

Blasphemy!

[_Yoda]

I think that there is educational benefit to virgins (both males and females) masturbating. It allows them to understand their own bodies, which will help them in their sexual health when they get married.

Blasphemy!

But true!

[_zeezrom]

I get commandments against viewing pornography.

I get it too, but I still don't know what it is, exactly.

[_Nightlion]

If there is a single LDS standard that, in my opinion, rises to the status of inexcusable, tragic stupidity, it is the prohibition on masturbation. Teenage boys, not to mention young women, who also engage in the practice, masturbate as part of their normal sexual-biological development. There is almost no scriptural support for a prohibition on masturbation, and, unlike the Word of Wisdom, which has a sensible prohibition on tobacco, an anti-masturbation commandment has no real health benefit. In fact, for adult males, not masturbating might increase the risk of prostate cancer.

I get commandments against viewing pornography. What I don't understand is the needless and damaging shaming that is inflicted on young people who, when they masturbate, are doing exactly what evolution or God arranged for the human body to do.

It is absurd to the point of being criminal, in my view.

You know, those old hypocrite Jews were a jangled tight wad of dingleberrys too. Once spiritual leadership goes down that path to Zero Tolerance of human weakness to buttress their own feigned righteousness in authoritarian postures the angels have an abundance of streaming comedy.

They read off the faces of these strained pathetics the frustration they MUST calmly exude in every attempt to edify when all they can think of day and night is that they never once relieved themselves of sexual tension. "DAMN, HOW RIGHTEOUS I AM" And that is the gospel they want others to share. They are compelled to comb through all the youth to find their own kind.

"I found one, brethren, I tell you that I found another one! says bishop B. Is he lying to you B? doubts leader Q.
No! No! for I have pried and I am certain. exults B."

Interesting, I will have to add this plank to those which proceeded in the supplanting of the gospel as to what counts for righteousness.
1. 1853-55 Sustain your file leader.
2. Whenever Snow went to Dixie....Pay a full tithe.
3. Seriously, from the time of the internet.....See no evil, speak no evil, touch no evil.

This is the current standard of righteousness. Pathetic I tell ya. Just plain stupid. Where is the grace in it?

[_krose]

I get commandments against viewing pornography.

I get it too, but I still don't know what it is, exactly.

A commandment against something that can't even be defined is pretty useless.

[_ludwigm]

I think that there is educational benefit to virgins (both males and females) masturbating. It allows them to understand their own bodies, which will help them in their sexual health when they get married.

Blasphemy!

Here is an excerpt from Kazohinia of Sándor Szathmári
(as far as I know, the title of 2012 English edition is "Voyage to Kazohinia")

As I passed through the gate a child in the heat of play escaped from one of his mates and, while running, banged up against me with full impetus. I took him up angrily.
"Open your eyes, sonny!"
The child gazed at me uncomprehendingly.
"What?" he asked.
"Your eyes! Look where you're going when you are running!"
"What's wrong with my eyes?"

I was almost about to scold him thinking that he intended to annoy me, but with the most serious expression the child asked me to explain to him what the eye was.
"These two shining balls above your nose," I told him, pointing at them.
"And why should I open them?"
"So that you can see."
"To see with the emerald stone?" he said in surprise.

I already saw that the child had no knowledge of his eyes and, in spite of all my annoyance, I explained in a few words that they were not emerald stones, but eyes, with which we saw. The child, however, only laughed, then suddenly turned and run to the proko.
"Vake! Vake!" he wailed out of breath. "This man says that the emerald stones are my eyes and I am to see with them."

I did not bother with him any more, I wanted to start on my way, but the proko with a few leaps was suddenly before me, grasped me, dragged me aside, and fell upon me excitedly.
"Why spoil this innocent little one?"
"I Spoil?"
"Don't deny it! The child would not say by himself that he has eyes and that they are to see with ! He could have learned that only from you!"

The blood froze in my veins. I did not deny that it was I who had said so. I simply asked why that was spoiling.
"Don't you think it is spoiling if the child becomes acquainted.. with his organs prematurely? Is it not spoiling if he comes to know what is to be done with them?"

I protested against this most resolutely. I said there was no real sense in it, the child would come to know anyhow what his eyes were for, the organs could not be used for any other purpose anyway, and if we concealed it, the results might only be dangerous for the child, while he could only benefit from knowing his organs. Teaching should even commence with such things so that the child should get acquainted with his own body. Otherwise how could he protect his health?

"Oh you base creature! Is that not danger for you if this tender creature opens his eyes and wants to see with them?" I was already very angry and could no longer keep my temper. I suggested that if he was mad he should have himself treated but should not molest reasonable people in the street. One word led to another, many of the passers-by gathered around me to whom I complained of the base insult. They, however, whether the Reader believes me or not, did not warn my attacker to calm down, but went so far as to turn upon me, and I could only escape by speedily racing away from the lunatics. They shouted after me even then that I had spoilt the bruhu of the child!

Later I also asked Zemoeki the reason for this nonsense, but he again spoke of some order, ketni, seedling and foundation stone, and I received no answer to my question. So I still do not know what crime I committed. then, and I believe that any sober English citizen would remain in a similar state of uncertainty.
This permanent uncertainty and dread developed a very strange feeling in me, which of course is unknown in reasonable Great Britain, and for this very reason let me mention it, first of all for my neuropathologist colleagues, as a matter of information.

(If one of You is interested, the novel is a "Gulliver" story, with the motives of "Brave New World" - by the way two years before Huxley...
It is worth to read - if You can download or want to buy it.
There are recensions around, at Youtube, too.)