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Aristotle Smith wrote:I think you should check out The Church of Jesus Christ Who Hates the Use of Bolded Italics.

Aristotle, why do you dislike bolded italics so much? Do you think that posters shouldn't want to emphasize some parts of what they post?
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Drifting wrote:Kevin, you need to decide what you mean by 'good things'.

By good things I mean things that are good. Drifting, are you saying that you don't know what good means?
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KevinSim wrote:
Drifting wrote:Kevin, you need to decide what you mean by 'good things'.

By good things I mean things that are good. Drifting, are you saying that you don't know what good means?


Well...some people may have a love of wine and wish for its production to be continued eternally. That would be one of their good things.
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Drifting wrote:Well...some people may have a love of wine and wish for its production to be continued eternally. That would be one of their good things.

Just because different people have different views of what good is, doesn't mean that real good doesn't exist.
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KevinSim wrote:
Drifting wrote:Well...some people may have a love of wine and wish for its production to be continued eternally. That would be one of their good things.

Just because different people have different views of what good is, doesn't mean that real good doesn't exist.


Then tell us what "real good" is, for crying out loud!
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just me wrote:You haven't been able to explain how LDSism will successfully do that, either.

If there is a God, then preserving some good things forever is, as far as I'm concerend, just what God does, and by trying to live my life under God's guidance I believe I'm heading in the direction of doing my share of the work that needs to be done to preserve some good things forever.

Atheists and agnostics, on the other hand, don't appear to even be trying to work towards some good things lasting forever. Clearly one has to have some idea how good things are going to last forever, even if that one simply believes God will manage it, in order for any good things to last forever.


So, it sounds to me like you don't have an answer. You have different expectations from different people. That is not fair.

What EXACTLY are you doing to preserve some good things forever? Are you referring to Temple Ordinances or what???
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KevinSim wrote:
Drifting wrote:Well...some people may have a love of wine and wish for its production to be continued eternally. That would be one of their good things.

Just because different people have different views of what good is, doesn't mean that real good doesn't exist.


:lol:

Should be no problem for you to clearly articulate what 'real good' is then...
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Why do we assume that what we see as "Good things" as mortals will apply to an immortal life? One of my favorite pastimes is golf, so would preserving good things forever include playing golf forever? The LDS concept of eternal blessings is usually expressed in terms of one long Stepford existence.

Kevin can you explain what YOU think preserving good things forever entails?
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KevinSim wrote:...snip...


Let me drop my cynicism for a few moments...Honestly, I think Mormonism is a good fit for some (very few) people. Many people need checklists, structure, built-in community, perceived answers to universal questions, possible rewards for good behavior, a feeling of superiority that comes with being part of the god's one true church (j/k), etc. If it works for you, why do you need an alternative? If you have found your participation in the LDS church to be a net positive in your life and you feel like you can connect with "god"/the universe/etc. better by participating then why are you questioning it? Mormonism makes some pretty bold claims and if your goal is to achieve what Mormonism offers (eteranal life, eternal family, heir to elohim, eternal joy in gods presence, etc.) I am not sure you are going to find these same promises/possibilities in other religious/non-religious organizations or alternatives. I think this is why many former Mormons turn to agnosticism/atheism, what other churches offer, at first glace, pales in comparison to what the LDS church offers. The problem is that you have to essentially shut down the rational part of your brain to buy into what the LDS church is offering/claiming which makes many people, like myself, incompatible with the organization...

That said, the fact that you are asking for alternatives leads me to believe that, like many of us, maybe you don't consider the LDS church to be a net positive in your life and that the LDS church is actually a source of frustration... I love not "knowing" answers to impossible questions and trying to rationalize impossible claims and beliefs. Coming to the conclusion that the LDS church is no "truer" than any other church has been a huge relief to me. I get to decide what is "good" for me and I have had to come to accept that everyone is on their own, very personal, journey to decide what is "right" and "good" for them...The concept of "sin" has just become silly and I have had a chance to see life and the world in a completely different way and actually explore new interests and causes and reevaluate questions that I thought I had all the answers to. I no longer care about any potential eternal reward that may or may not be waiting for me after this life - My goal is to enjoy what I have now and make the best of it.
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KevinSim wrote:If there is a God, ...

That's a gigantic "if" there.

Atheists and agnostics, on the other hand, don't appear to even be trying to work towards some good things lasting forever.

Unless you count the continued existence of the human race, living in relative peace. That's what I work toward. While I don't believe I will continue to exist after death myself, I believe my positive contributions and influence can live on.

(And yes, I know the Earth will eventually burn up when our sun goes red giant, so "forever" isn't possible. But another five billion years isn't a bad run.)
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