Caffeine Officially not against Word of Wisdom

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Cicero wrote:
Stormy Waters wrote:The holy ghost told me abstain from all carbonated sodas. I'm listening the closest to the holy ghost.


I am so much more righteous and closer to God than you Stormy. The Holy Ghost told me to have a diet rich in whole grains and non-starchy vegetables with lesser portions of fruit and unsaturated fats. The Holy Ghost also helped me pick out what I'm wearing today (he always knows which colors will look best on me, smart ghost that he is). Neener, neener, neener . . .


Oh yeah! Well, the HG told me to eat chocolate and cookies for breakfast. Guess he loves me best! :lol:
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CALLER: I was wondering about some of the guidelines in dietary restrictions Mormons live by, and how strictly members follow it. Because I was reading, once, the word of wisdom. My impression was that its major point was that one should respect all life, including animals and, as such, only consume them when absolutely necessary to sustain life, and to then eat them sparingly. But I've noticed that Mormon -- this is rarely followed by Mormons, and I'm wondering if this has anything to do with, as reported by "TIME" magazine.

Larry King: OK, president?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, I don't know. You've read a part of the word of wisdom. The word of wisdom covers many things. It covers the excessive use of meat, as I see it. It covers, in a very particular way, the use of tobacco and alcohol.

Larry King: By saying no?

Gordon B. Hinckley: By saying, by proscribing those things.

Larry King: No to caffeine?

Gordon B. Hinckley: No to caffeine, coffee and tea.
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Caffeine Officially not against Word of Wisdom


You still have it wrong. The doctrine merely is that caffeine is not mentioned in the WoW. As such you're not generally going to see it becoming an issue in say, a TR interview. However, being a model for taking care of one's body, one certainly might decide that abstaining from caffeine is a legitimate WoW issue. If I recall correctly, there still is doctrine elsewhere that certain types of caffeine ingestion is not healthy. So it IS technically possible for it to come up in a TR interview IF you're having problems. For example:

There was an Elder in my zone who was addicted to Jolt. He had to have it essentially every hour on the hour or he developed withdrawal symptoms such as severe shaking and debilitating headaches. He couldn't kick the habit and had to be sent home. I guarantee you such a thing would be of concern for a Bishop or a Stake president when considering worthiness issues as this is a clear-cut case of addiction.
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I have found that caffeine is the only thing I can take that will touch my migraines. I only drink it on days I know I am bound to get one. I drink it in the form of tea, green or a blend.
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Check it out. This is too funny. So, President Newsroom came out yesterday with a statement aimed at correcting those ignoramuses at NBC who somehow managed to get wrong the very clear policy of the LDS Church on caffeine. You see, NBC reported that the LDS Church is against caffeine. And everyone who knows anything about Mormonism knows that that is just wrong. Why didn't NBC just ask the church. If NBC had just done that, President Newsroom would have set them straight. As President Newsroom said yesterday:
Finally, another small correction: Despite what was reported, the Church does not prohibit the use of caffeine. The Church’s health guidelines, known in our scriptures as “the Word of Wisdom” (Doctrine and Covenants 89), prohibits alcoholic drinks, smoking or chewing of tobacco and “hot drinks” — taught by Church leaders to refer specifically to tea and coffee. The restriction does not go beyond this.

Oh, but wait a minute. It seems President Newsroom spoke too soon, for he had to edit his "correction" of NBC the very next day. President Newsroom's statement now reads as follows:
Finally, another small correction: Despite what was reported, the Church revelation spelling out health practices (Doctrine and Covenants 89) does not mention the use of caffeine. The Church’s health guidelines prohibits [sic] alcoholic drinks, smoking or chewing of tobacco, and “hot drinks” — taught by Church leaders to refer specifically to tea and coffee.

Such delicious irony: the Church tries to "correct" NBC by making a clear statement that caffeine is not prohibited, and then the very next day retracts the clear statement to the more ambiguous "does not mention the use of caffeine" thereby leaving it wide open for all kinds of different interpretations and understandings.

So how, exactly, did NBC get it wrong? Mormons themselves, including the leader of the Church President Newsroom, don't know whether caffeine is banned or not. Hinckley thought it was (as indicated by what he told Larry King and Mike Wallace). Other Prophets thought it was, and the church used to publish a pamphlet stating that caffeine consumption violated the Word of Wisdom. Some (but probably not a majority) Bishops and Stake Presidents deny TRs to people who drink caffeinated sodas (I once had a SP grill me about it, but only one of all the Bishops and SPs I ever had in the church). BYU does not allow the sale of caffeinated beverages, which is odd if they are not proscribed. But most Mormons probably don't view them as per se banned. And it's an open secret that Monson enjoys his Pepsi. I just love the irony of the church "correcting" NBC on this issue when what NBC reported was exactly what Hinckley said more than once on national TV. Hilarious.
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Thanks for catching the edit Equality. I wrongly had assumed the edit was innocuous.
I agree with what you said. If President Newsroom can't get it straight, how are any of the members supposed be able to?
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just me wrote:Oh yeah! Well, the HG told me to eat chocolate and cookies for breakfast. Guess he loves me best! :lol:


I bow to my clear superior. The HG must have revealed the "sealed portion" of the Word of Wisdom to you. :wink:
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Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when once we practice to impute divine revelation to 19th-century dietary ideas Joseph Smith had heard about, and then selectively enforce the parts of it that are consistent with the temperance movement that Heber J. Grant wanted to impose upon members of the Church.
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just me wrote:The real question is why is beer forbidden when it is clearly allowed in the written WOW. Why don't LDS make their own wine?


The statement is "alcoholic drinks", which is different than saying "drinks which contain alcohol" .... so do not let an alcoholic make you a drink; make your own, unless you are an alcoholic.
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Oh, but wait a minute. It seems President Newsroom spoke too soon, for he had to edit his "correction" of NBC the very next day.


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