You seem to be suffering from a lack of reading comprehension or Fortigurn's Lazy Research. The doctrine remains that the ban was from God. It has always been the case that we don't know exactly why. It has never been the case that the ban fits into the category of racism.
You know as well as everyone else here that the FAIRisees and DANCPites disagree with you and would ban you for posting against their pet theories.
They looked so bad that they took down their pinned notice on the subject and I have begun to post again the truth of the matter. They had a very difficult time justifying their hypothesis' with doctrine that continues to be published.
Better that than to be illiterate. If you can't be big, don't belittle.
Given that the FP has no idea why the ban was instigated in the first place (see Newsroom statement) you cannot say it wasn't racist
Then by the same token, you can't say that it was. However, I have never seen a hypothesis or doctrine, in or out of the Church that says tha ben came about because of someone's skin color. In fact, even anti Mormons seem to be in agreement that the ban came about just prior or at the same time as skin color so even they must admit that racism doesn't play a role.
Better that than to be illiterate. If you can't be big, don't belittle.
Given that the FP has no idea why the ban was instigated in the first place (see Newsroom statement) you cannot say it wasn't racist
Then by the same token, you can't say that it was. However, I have never seen a hypothesis or doctrine, in or out of the Church that says tha ben came about because of someone's skin color. In fact, even anti Mormons seem to be in agreement that the ban came about just prior or at the same time as skin color so even they must admit that racism doesn't play a role.
So we're agreed, you are just speculating that it wasn't racially motivated.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
bcspace wrote:Better that than to be illiterate. If you can't be big, don't belittle.
It's a damn shame you waste your literacy on BS like FrontPage and WND.
Then by the same token, you can't say that it was. However, I have never seen a hypothesis or doctrine, in or out of the Church that says tha ben came about because of someone's skin color. In fact, even anti Mormons seem to be in agreement that the ban came about just prior or at the same time as skin color so even they must admit that racism doesn't play a role.
The skin color was said by the FP to be one of the "handicaps" that were given to people based on "the conduct of spirits in the premortal existence." Your prevaricating about this does not make you look particularly good. Stop lying, and just acknowledge what the church has taught and why.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Ah yes...the quite, calm, assured urbanity of Mormondiscussions.com - and the Left. Not understanding the Church's official position on this would require nearly incomprehensible ignorance - or a relentless resistance to rudimentary rational thought.
The 1949 statement won't help you out here.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Ah yes...the quite, calm, assured urbanity of Mormondiscussions.com - and the Left. Not understanding the Church's official position on this would require nearly incomprehensible ignorance - or a relentless resistance to rudimentary rational thought.
The 1941 statement won't help you out here.
Actually, the Church's official position on the question of why the ban was instigated is "screwed if we know "
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
They looked so bad that they took down their pinned notice on the subject and I have begun to post again the truth of the matter. They had a very difficult time justifying their hypothesis' with doctrine that continues to be published.
Good to hear that, given that I was unceremoniously flung from that forum for taking Martin Luther King's core position on colorblindness and character content as the basis for human relations between people who look different.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Droopy wrote:Ah yes...the quite, calm, assured urbanity of Mormondiscussions.com - and the Left. Not understanding the Church's official position on this would require nearly incomprehensible ignorance - or a relentless resistance to rudimentary rational thought.
The 1949 statement won't help you out here.
In other words you have no answer. Is anyone surprised?
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Interesting, bc, how calm, rational argument and a bit of truth brings out the F-word in people.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Droopy wrote:Ah yes...the quite, calm, assured urbanity of Mormondiscussions.com - and the Left. Not understanding the Church's official position on this would require nearly incomprehensible ignorance - or a relentless resistance to rudimentary rational thought.
The 1949 statement won't help you out here.
In other words you have no answer. Is anyone surprised?
I've used up more bandwidth here on this subject than perhaps any other. If you've missed those, there are archives here (and at the MDB).
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
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