Twede Calls out Scott Gordon

[_ldsfaqs]

This is probably true. MormonThink is not faith promoting.

I agree, it is truth promoting. The Church can't point to a single thing therein that is false. Instead, they want to whine about the fact that these truths hurt the Church. When a Church has to be afraid of truths, there is obviously something wrong with it. Christ taught that the truth shall set you free. Mormonism teaches that truth will ruin your faith.

Clearly you don't understand the concept of "using a little truth to lie".....???

Take ANY anti-mormon site I can produce TONS of falsehoods from it, and debunk them with the actual truth.
Give me some claim right now from the site and I'll debunk it.

It's not the truth that ruins one's faith, it's the perversion of the truth and believing of falsehoods that will.

[_ldsfaqs]

And, it should be noted that Scott Gordon has made donations to Romney.

And "why" does that need to be "noted"....??? Could it be bigotry?

And you've donated to Obama.... (or pick your poison, or someone else has)

[_just me]

Give me some claim right now from the site and I'll debunk it.

Polygamy was illegal.
http://mormonthink.com/joseph-smith-pol ... tm#illegal

[_Bob Loblaw]

He must really want Pat to leave the church if he sent him to FAIR.

[Guest]

Give me some claim right now from the site and I'll debunk it.

Polygamy was illegal.
http://mormonthink.com/joseph-smith-pol ... tm#illegal

First lie.... Joseph Smith and others practiced "Polygamy" in Illinois. He and others did not. They practiced the "Sealing Ordinance". When Joseph said he/they weren't practicing Polygamy, they weren't. Actual polygamy didn't start until Utah.

Second lie.... Polygamy was not illegal. This may have been a "belief" by some, etc., but it was not really a position of the Church. Thus, the anti creates a straw-man to then tear down.

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By the way..... To be clear, I've never said every "fact" anti-mormons use to degrade the Church is false, I've only said that their conclusions are for nearly every claim are, and that they use truth/fact to lie, by omitting important facts, truth, and logic.

In other words, the idea that "Polygamy was Illegal" is simply a non-issue. It's a well known fact.

We know there was a Priesthood ban.
We know Joseph was sealed to 3 women under 18.
We know there were some wrong statements in history by LDS leaders, false assumptions, etc.

So what? It's the rest you ignore, omit, etc. that makes you liars.
I "share" digital media.... It's illegal, but I don't at all believe it's morally wrong. A Library is not morally wrong, sharing with your friends is not morally wrong. Thus, sharing in the new digital age also can't be wrong. No loss, no crime. People who receive sharing wouldn't even close be "buying" nearly all of what they receive. Same for Library's.

We believe in honoring and sustaining the law..... But there is also a time and place.
Laws are not "Eternal Law". The Articles of Faith are only a GENERAL summary of our beliefs.
They don't address every nuance, every factor, etc.

Anti's try to make strawmen such as this to then tear down. That's lying.

[_Kishkumen]

And "why" does that need to be "noted"....??? Could it be bigotry?

And you've donated to Obama.... (or pick your poison, or someone else has)

Because, clueless, it contributes to one's understanding of his possible motivations for turning in Twede when he did.

[_ldsfaqs]

And "why" does that need to be "noted"....??? Could it be bigotry?

And you've donated to Obama.... (or pick your poison, or someone else has)

Because, clueless, it contributes to one's understanding of his possible motivations for turning in Twede when he did.

Please "really".....???

You really think a Mormon would "intentionally" cause/create negative publicity for "Political reasons"???
And you think I'm clueless?

You can't simply think he was just doing the right thing can you? (if it even was him, I'm not up on the issue)
No, it has to be "political conspiricy", and not only that, but conspiracy AGAINST OUR OWN INTERESTS!!!

[_Kishkumen]

Please "really".....???

You really think a Mormon would "intentionally" cause/create negative publicity for "Political reasons"???
And you think I'm clueless?

You can't simply think he was just doing the right thing can you? (if it even was him, I'm not up on the issue)
No, it has to be "political conspiricy", and not only that, but conspiracy AGAINST OUR OWN INTERESTS!!!

There is nothing particularly simple about this situation, and Scott Gordon is certainly not a simpleton. He did what he did out of a mixture of different motivations. The fact that this fellow arguably broke his temple covenants in revealing parts of the ceremony, as well as apparently trying to talk people into leaving the LDS Church, made it easy for Romney supporter Scott Gordon to pull the trigger on an interpretation of Mormonism and politics that he really hated.

The idea that this is simple is what is risible. But then, most of what you write is.

[_Equality]

The fact that this fellow arguably broke his temple covenants in revealing parts of the ceremony,

I never saw the post on the temple in which temple covenants were allegedly broken. Did Twede reveal any signs, names, or tokens? If not, what is the argument that he broke his covenants? Where does a Latter-day Saint covenant not to reveal anything other than the signs, names, and tokens?

[_Kishkumen]

The fact that this fellow arguably broke his temple covenants in revealing parts of the ceremony,

I never saw the post on the temple in which temple covenants were allegedly broken. Did Twede reveal any signs, names, or tokens? If not, what is the argument that he broke his covenants? Where does a Latter-day Saint covenant not to reveal anything other than the signs, names, and tokens?

Well, that is where the word "arguably" comes in, Equality. Some people would read the covenant very technically as you suggest, and others look at it more broadly.