Everybody Wang Chung...Time to Return and Report

[_sansfoy]

All I can say is that it must suck to be a serving bishop and to disbelieve. So much time, so much effort, so many opportunities to encourage practices antithetical to the dictates of your own conscience.

[_Pahoran]

He will also be removing possible controls on his story and enlarging his ability to embellish and fabricate.

Yup. But same goes for pretty well all of us anonymites, including Pahoran, when we make claims about matters of fact.

Which is why I tend to avoid making claims of fact on my own authority.

Anonymity can of course also free people to speak the truth. All of us, including Pahoran, must make our own judgements as to whom we find credible.

But if his claim to be a serving bishop were true, then his reasons for wanting to maintain his anonymity would be less than innocent. In fact, they would be completely unethical.

Regards,
Pahoran

I am afraid that I do not share with Pahoran the belief that bishops of the CoJCoLDS are likely to behave more ethically, intelligently and perceptively than anyone else.

That's because you don't have the experience I have with LDS bishops.

But that, in any case, was not my point. My point is that LDS bishops have certain responsibilities and expectations to behave in an ethical manner; if Mister Chung's claims are true, then he has completely disregarded those responsibilities and his behaviour is utterly two-faced. This, of course, is a source of endless delight and glee to those whose hatred of the Church of Jesus Christ is sufficient to completely suppress whatever moral sensibilities they may still have; but I am confident that there are no decent people anywhere who are proud of Mister Chung's smug and shameless perfidy.

I am equally confident that he maintains his anonymity, not to "free" him "to speak the truth" -- he is certainly lying to someone -- but to enable his deceptions.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_LDSToronto]

Yup. But same goes for pretty well all of us anonymites, including Pahoran, when we make claims about matters of fact.

Which is why I tend to avoid making claims of fact on my own authority.

I am equally confident that he maintains his anonymity, not to "free" him "to speak the truth" -- he is certainly lying to someone -- but to enable his deceptions.

lulz.

H.

[_Pahoran]

Which is why I tend to avoid making claims of fact on my own authority.

I am equally confident that he maintains his anonymity, not to "free" him "to speak the truth" -- he is certainly lying to someone -- but to enable his deceptions.

lulz.

H.

Clearly you missed the point.

I wasn't saying anything equivalent to "I know this for a fact and you'll have to take my word for it as a member of a stake presidency" when in fact I was merely an exec secretary; I was presenting it as a conclusion based upon the evidence before us.

Thus, I made no claim of fact upon my own authority.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_LDSToronto]

I wasn't saying anything equivalent to "I know this for a fact and you'll have to take my word for it as a member of a stake presidency" when in fact I was merely an exec secretary; I was presenting it as a conclusion based upon the evidence before us.

What evidence shows Everybody Wang Chung is maintaining anonymity to enable his deceptions?

H.

[_Yoda]

Since you are not a member of the LDS Church, I understand your perception. However, I think what Pahoran was pointing out is that those who are called to be Bishop should do their best to behave more ethically and perceptively than anyone else. There is also a certain amount of intelligence that one must possess in order to do well in the calling.

I don't have a problem with Everybody Wang Chung's ethics or morals. True, he lost his temper with Ray, but he apologized. Other than that I'm not sure why anyone would make an effort to go after a serving bishop. What purpose would it serve?

I wasn't critiquing Everybody Wang Chung's ethics or morals. I was addressing Chap's post here:

I am afraid that I do not share with Pahoran the belief that bishops of the CoJCoLDS are likely to behave more ethically, intelligently and perceptively than anyone else.

My point was that within the LDS Church, Bishops are thought to possess a stricter set of ethics than the average person.

[Guest]

Pah seems to be on a witch hunt.

Oh and WHAT a trophy wolf he will bag if he can get the real name(and membership number) of our own Everybody Wang Chung.

He probably fantasizes about DCP and Bro Gordon carrying him on their shoulders as they march up to LDS Inc HQ to turn in another name for excommunication!

You go Pah!


Everybody Wang Chung, to further taunt the adorable kiwi from near down under, please change your avatar to one of the following:

[_Pahoran]

What evidence shows Everybody Wang Chung is maintaining anonymity to enable his deceptions?

H.

Two things:

1) His claim to be a serving bishop; and
2) His obvious apostasy, which is even more egregious than yours was.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Pahoran]

Pah seems to be on a witch hunt.

You mean -- like you and your fellow haters are against Scott Gordon?

I'm afraid you are projecting.

Nice graphics, though.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Yoda]

All I can say is that it must suck to be a serving bishop and to disbelieve. So much time, so much effort, so many opportunities to encourage practices antithetical to the dictates of your own conscience.

Does Everybody Wang Chung completely disbelieve? He struck me as having more of a NOM perspective.

Frankly, if he is an out and out disbeliever, I am confused as to why he chose to serve as bishop, and am curious about his decision to do so.