Paying tithing online....SLC having a change of heart

[_Pahoran]

So I was looking into paying tithing online...looks like Salt Lake City has had a bit of a change of heart. All of the previous links that allowed a member to make tithing donations online are now dead:


http://www.ldsclerks.com/index.php?titl ... adquarters

After a bit of searching online, I found this blurb:

We’ve been contacted by the Church Donations Department and asked to remove the links to the Electronic Donation Information form, among other things. This method of payment apparently wasn’t intended to be used by the general membership of the Church. We’ll be posting a new article with more information shortly. Please check back here for a link and more details.

Uh huh...

Here's the explanation given on the site http://mormonlifehacker.com/pay-your-tithing-online/ from which you sourced the "blurb" above:

Well, I just recently learned that either the Church never intended this for the general membership, or they changed their policy. Apparently too many Billpay checks were coming in as paper checks, rather than electronically, and it's overwhelmed the donations department, since they have to process all paper checks by hand, unlike when it's delivered electronically.

Thanks to @Paul and others who have mentioned this. I'll be updating this post shortly, and possibly posting another with more information.

Note that this is dated last April. for what it's worth.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Racer]

Worthiness to Participate in an Ordinance or Blessing

Only a Melchizedek Priesthood holder who is worthy to hold a temple recommend may act as voice in confirming a person a member of the Church, conferring the Melchizedek Priesthood, ordaining a person to an office in that priesthood, or setting apart a person to serve in a Church calling.

http://www.LDS.org/handbook/handbook-2- ... s/20.1#201

20.1.2

This is true and it happened prior to 2012. We encountered this in 2006. I was not allowed to bless 2 of my kids because I didn't have a temple recommend. I was also allowed to baptize my son, but not confirm him because of the recommend. It didn't used to be like this. It used to be the Priesthood authority that mattered. A recommend or being endowed didn't used to matter as long as the male held the priesthood office. We thought the Bishop in our ward was just being a hyper religious dick, but when we inquired of the SP, he said the policy had changed. SP thought the new guideline was absurd, but said there was nothing he could do about it.

[_Pahoran]

My wife laughs at me when I try to cuss, because it doesn't sound natural.

"Event Tithing" refers to tithing generated from temple weddings,

There's no such thing as "event tithing." Tithing is not collected at Temple weddings.

and since 2012, any melchizedek ordinances require full tithe declarations.

Greedy bastards!

You seem to manage to cuss quite naturally.

But notice that what you offered in support does not say what you said:

Worthiness to Participate in an Ordinance or Blessing

Only a Melchizedek Priesthood holder who is worthy to hold a temple recommend may act as voice in confirming a person a member of the Church, conferring the Melchizedek Priesthood, ordaining a person to an office in that priesthood, or setting apart a person to serve in a Church calling.

Okay, so baptising, blessing the Sacrament, Father's blessings, blessing and anointing the sick, naming and blessing children or dedicating graves, among other ordinances, don't require that the person acting as voice be a Temple Recommend holder (or TR worthy).

And someone who doesn't qualify to act as voice can still stand in the circle for the shorter list of ordinances where the TR qualification applies.

Note that Temple Recommends can be (and routinely are) granted to people who pay no tithing at all.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_3sheets2thewind]

My tithing was accepted 9/24 via online banking....

Sure hope they don't stop accepting this way. I am more apt to pay it with online banking

I should still have the forms for setting it up.if anyone is interested.

[_Themis]

The other problem with your idiotic notion is that bishops have no idea about our earnings or the source thereof unless we tell them.

The bishop does see how much tithing they have paid, but yes they do accept what ever a person tells them.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

My wife laughs at me when I try to cuss, because it doesn't sound natural.

"Event Tithing" refers to tithing generated from temple weddings,

There's no such thing as "event tithing." Tithing is not collected at Temple weddings.

Where did Max claim this? "Generated from" is what he stated, and is true.

When I was first married my wife's uncle had to borrow money from his father to get "caught up" on tithes so he could join us with his baker's in our silly sealing ceremony.

Later we were told that his father just paid the $4,000 back tithing for him. I was pissed! How about giving us newly weds HALF of that and we won't miss the absent uncle at the Provo Spaceship to Kolob?

Note that Temple Recommends can be (and routinely are) granted to people who pay no tithing at all.

CFR or is that based on anecdotal evidence?

Or is this a slight of the hand trick wherein you reference people with zero income?


Can TRs be (and routinely are) granted to people who owe tithing, but have not paid at all?

[_Racer]

Okay, so baptising, blessing the Sacrament, Father's blessings, blessing and anointing the sick, naming and blessing children or dedicating graves, among other ordinances, don't require that the person acting as voice be a Temple Recommend holder (or TR worthy).

And someone who doesn't qualify to act as voice can still stand in the circle for the shorter list of ordinances where the TR qualification applies.

Note that Temple Recommends can be (and routinely are) granted to people who pay no tithing at all.

Wrong sir. Wrong. Did you read my post above?

I have also attended many baby blessings of friends and family members at different wards where the Bishop met with those standing in the circle before the meeting to inquire if all those in the circle had current recommends. Those that didn't were not able to stand in the circle, myself included. I think most Bishops don't care and let it slide, but this definitely has happened to me a few times over the last 5 years. I was never allowed a TR for any of this. The main thing that kept me from a TR was tithing.

[_SteelHead]

And yet the central office just made it more difficult to donate without the local accountant/clergy knowing how much you donate....... In an organization that asks for a yearly accounting of our offerings?

Gee........

[_Themis]

And yet the central office just made it more difficult to donate without the local accountant/clergy knowing how much you donate....... In an organization that asks for a yearly accounting of our offerings?

Gee........

How easy would it be for SL to look at some of those who start donating online with how much they paid before donating online.

[_SteelHead]

Easy, it is all tracked by the member ID. Currently though the information flows to COB and the COB doesn't send it back out to the local wards. A number of people paid this way as they were not comfortable with others knowing their income (clerks, bishopric).