liz3564 wrote:Are you implying that 13 year old girls cannot write in a grammatically correct fashion?
No, I am saying that the 'letter' posted on Donny's testimony site appears to contain a style and grammar inconsistent with what one might expect from a 13 year old girl or boy. I am doubting its authenticity.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Wow! What a hilarious moron! Where did he get that spin on the money digging issue? Did he make up that nonsense about a silver vein himself? Is he really that frickin' stupid, or is he lying for the lord? He makes Kirk Cameron look like a genius.
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It must be great to be a celebrity and coast through life without having to deal with all the unpleasant parts of being Mormon, like a mission or home teaching or the fear that you might be called into the bishopric at any given moment.
Drifting wrote:So, did Joseph join the Methodists 8 years after God told him not to?
There is evidence that he tried to join:
In June 1828 Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of Mormonism, joined the Methodist Church [probationary class] in Harmony, Pennsylvania. This was a strange thing for this prophet of a new religion to do, and seriously challenges the story he put out ten years later about the origin of his work. ... When Joseph Lewis, who was twenty-one at the time (about a year and a half younger than Smith), learned of this act, he felt that Joseph's manner of life rendered him unfit to be a member and told him either to "publicly ask to have his name stricken from the class book, or stand a disciplinary investigation." Mr. Lewis gave further details about the incident a month after the first article appeared in the Amboy paper, and he wrote:
I, with Joshua McKune, a local preacher at that time, I think in June, 1828, heard on Saturday, that Joe Smith had joined the church on Wednesday afternoon, (as it was customary in those days to have circuit preaching at my father's house on week-day). We thought it was a disgrace to the church to have a practicing necromancer, a dealer in enchantments and bleeding ghosts, in it. So on Sunday we went to father's, the place of meeting that day, and got there in season to see Smith and talked with him some time in father's shop before the meeting. Told him that his occupation, habits, and moral character were at variance with the discipline, that his name would be a disgrace to the church, that there should have been recantation, confession and at least promised reformation-. That he could that day publicly ask that his name be stricken from the class book, or stand an investigation. He chose the former, and did that very day make the request that his name be taken off the class book. (The Amboy Journal, June 11, 1879, p.1).
Isn't it interesting that you cannot go onto the web and find any kind of anti-Catholic, anti-Pentecostal, anti-Baptist, or anti-Lutheran material, but there's all kinds of stuff that is "anti-Mormon."
Donny (or whoever wrote this) needs to learn to use google.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
It is ironic that the questioner reflects a much more sophisticated view of the Church than the respondent. The 13 year old girl (and I agree with Drifting that it seems more like someone older trying to act 13) asks questions most TBM don't care about and Donny's response seems straight out of a seminary class from the 1970s.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Drifting wrote:So, did Joseph join the Methodists 8 years after God told him not to?
There is evidence that he tried to join:
In June 1828 Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of Mormonism, joined the Methodist Church [probationary class] in Harmony, Pennsylvania. This was a strange thing for this prophet of a new religion to do, and seriously challenges the story he put out ten years later about the origin of his work. ... When Joseph Lewis, who was twenty-one at the time (about a year and a half younger than Smith), learned of this act, he felt that Joseph's manner of life rendered him unfit to be a member and told him either to "publicly ask to have his name stricken from the class book, or stand a disciplinary investigation." Mr. Lewis gave further details about the incident a month after the first article appeared in the Amboy paper, and he wrote:
I, with Joshua McKune, a local preacher at that time, I think in June, 1828, heard on Saturday, that Joe Smith had joined the church on Wednesday afternoon, (as it was customary in those days to have circuit preaching at my father's house on week-day). We thought it was a disgrace to the church to have a practicing necromancer, a dealer in enchantments and bleeding ghosts, in it. So on Sunday we went to father's, the place of meeting that day, and got there in season to see Smith and talked with him some time in father's shop before the meeting. Told him that his occupation, habits, and moral character were at variance with the discipline, that his name would be a disgrace to the church, that there should have been recantation, confession and at least promised reformation-. That he could that day publicly ask that his name be stricken from the class book, or stand an investigation. He chose the former, and did that very day make the request that his name be taken off the class book. (The Amboy Journal, June 11, 1879, p.1).
Oh dear Donny...your fingers are writing cheques that history cannot cash...
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
LDS truthseeker wrote:I like Donny but he doesn't appear to know any of the real truths of Mormonism's beginnings.
Someone from MormonThink should send him an invitation to read and then provide a response to each of the topics covered there. I would love to see what he thinks of the Kinderhook fiasco, or the Greek psalter incident, or if he can give the name of the king on facsimile three.
"The Church is authoritarian, tribal, provincial, and founded on a loosely biblical racist frontier sex cult."--Juggler Vain "The LDS church is the Amway of religions. Even with all the soap they sell, they still manage to come away smelling dirty."--Some Schmo
This thread is very ironical. Could it be called a "critical review" of Donny's website?
The FARMS Review no longer exists, and since one of its purposes was to correct "bad apologetics" like this, I guess that's now left to......critics?
Nomomo wrote:Wow! What a hilarious moron! Where did he get that spin on the money digging issue? Did he make up that nonsense about a silver vein himself? Is he really that frickin" stupid, or is he lying for the lord? He makes Kirk Cameron look like a genius.
It's okay to call a Mormon a "hilarious moron...fricken stupid...lying for the Lord"..and just "plain dumb"?
As long as faithful Mormons never attack other faithful Mormons, all is well. The critics will now take care of that.