Equality wrote:Oh, I am not in New York. I live in Texas. I was just wondering who the highest spiritual leader of the people of New York was. I am waiting on confirmation that I got it right from, say, droopy or bcspace or some other faithful Mormon. I don;t want to rely on some "anti" Mormon whose lack of Holy Ghost companionship might cause them to err. Surely, any member of the church in good standing would know who the highest spiritual authority in New York is, right? I mean, it's not a trick question or anything. I am surprised no faithful member has chimed in yet. Very odd, don't ya think?
It would be the Area President even though he may not reside in NY. Of course, every Area President is overseen by a member of the Q12 so one could say that a member of the 12 is the highest authority.
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Equality wrote:Oh, I am not in New York. I live in Texas. I was just wondering who the highest spiritual leader of the people of New York was. I am waiting on confirmation that I got it right from, say, droopy or bcspace or some other faithful Mormon. I don;t want to rely on some "anti" Mormon whose lack of Holy Ghost companionship might cause them to err. Surely, any member of the church in good standing would know who the highest spiritual authority in New York is, right? I mean, it's not a trick question or anything. I am surprised no faithful member has chimed in yet. Very odd, don't ya think?
It would be the Area President even though he may not reside in NY. Of course, every Area President is overseen by a member of the Q12 so one could say that a member of the 12 is the highest authority.
That's the way I see it at least.
Well, that's what I thought, too. But Mitt Romney says the highest spiritual authority in New York is some dude named Timothy M. Dolan. I was just wondering if other Mormons shared Romney's views.
Mitt Romney wrote:And I credit that, of course, to the cardinal. He has -- it's taken New York's highest spiritual authority to get us back on our best behavior. I was actually hoping the president would bring Joe Biden along this evening because he'll laugh at anything.
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Not to derail, but count the wine glasses on the Cardinal Archbishop's table.
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lulu wrote:Not to derail, but count the wine glasses on the Cardinal Archbishop's table.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
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Equality wrote:Well, that's what I thought, too. But Mitt Romney says the highest spiritual authority in New York is some dude named Timothy M. Dolan. I was just wondering if other Mormons shared Romney's views.
Oh!
You meant New York City.
Why didn't you say so?
Of course it's Dolan, then.
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You all do realize don't you that when someone says spiritual authority or says something like how is your spirituality, etc. that they are merely asking how well you conform to some beliefs held by others. Spiritual simply means conformity. Think about it. The Cardinals in Catholicism? They are spiritual GIANTS compared to the riff raff masses they own......er I mean serve. Why? Because they conform to Catholicism so much better than the mere riff raff. But to Mormonism they are simply apostates. One can be "spiritual" within Mormonism when one attends church, believes in Joseph Smith, reads the scriptures, prays, pays tithing, you know..... do all the typical Mormon things.....OH WAIT!!!!! GOOD LORD MAN, *****HOME TEACHING!!!!!!!!***** See? Once one does this 100% you are nigh well approaching the spirituality of Enoch (a myth, but just bear with me will ya?) By conforming you PROVE spirituality...... you also prove sheep DNA runs in the blood.
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Cardinal dolan a.k.a. "his heftiness" weighing in at over 300 lbs is a fat irish blob who, smarter than his classmates in seminary, knew how to work the system - kiss a ring, kiss ass and maintain the church orthodoxy and support of the pontiff. now he reports to no one and can drink and eat until he blows up if he wants to.
my rc friend phil is a staff director on the hill; he had the job of escorting dolan from the republican convention center to the airport after the benediction and after convention parties(more drinking). phil attempted to engage his heftiness in casual conversation during the limo ride. unfortunately dolan was unable to contol his bowels and let out uncontrollable farts during the whole ride; also having had too much to drink everytime phil, sitting in back seat with dolan, said something dolan would say "that's nice" and fart away!
a disgusting trip my good rc friend said he will never forget nor have respect for this 300lb clown prince of the church
i know, i know leaders are fallible, they fall, they drink too much ,they sin-they are only human. except in the rc church you ignore what they say if it is obvioulsy stupid or false. tbm's do not have that option.
kairos wrote:Cardinal dolan a.k.a. "his heftiness" weighing in at over 300 lbs is a fat irish blob who, smarter than his classmates in seminary, knew how to work the system - kiss a ring, kiss ass and maintain the church orthodoxy and support of the pontiff. now he reports to no one and can drink and eat until he blows up if he wants to.
my rc friend phil is a staff director on the hill; he had the job of escorting dolan from the republican convention center to the airport after the benediction and after convention parties(more drinking). phil attempted to engage his heftiness in casual conversation during the limo ride. unfortunately dolan was unable to contol his bowels and let out uncontrollable farts during the whole ride; also having had too much to drink everytime phil, sitting in back seat with dolan, said something dolan would say "that's nice" and fart away!
a disgusting trip my good rc friend said he will never forget nor have respect for this 300lb clown prince of the church
i know, i know leaders are fallible, they fall, they drink too much ,they sin-they are only human. except in the rc church you ignore what they say if it is obvioulsy stupid or false. tbm's do not have that option.
just saying
k
Thanks for sharing that. It makes me laugh to think this is the guy Mitt Romney sustains as New York's highest spiritual authority.
"The Church is authoritarian, tribal, provincial, and founded on a loosely biblical racist frontier sex cult."--Juggler Vain "The LDS church is the Amway of religions. Even with all the soap they sell, they still manage to come away smelling dirty."--Some Schmo
Equality wrote:Why did no believing Mormon answer this rather straightforward question? Do Mormons not know the "chain of command"?
The Church is not organized by state.
In areas of the Church where there are organized stakes, the stake presidents report directly to a designated member of the Presidency of the Seventy. I don't know which of the Seven Presidents has responsibility for stakes in the northeast.
But, there is a dotted line relationship with the Q12 through visiting Seventy members (who may or may not be in the Presidency). Other members of the Seventy who hang out in the area are merely "staff" members (like a high council), until they have been tasked by the Q12 to reorganize stakes. The Presidency of the Seventy cannot authorize a stake reorg.
When a stake president on a daily basis has a problem, he calls his Presidency member unless the Presidency assigns a ordinary member of the Seventy responsibility to oversee the problem the stake president calls about.
I work with people who know Dolan personally. He is a very good man.
