Bishop Puts Locks On 18 Year Old's Cell Phone

[_Stormy Waters]

Although the idea of tying ones hands up to Prevent masturbation seems ridiculous didn't Mark E. Peterson suggest it?

19. In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half asleep.

http://www.moonmac.com/Mormon_masturbation.html

ETA: Do we know if this document is real?

[_Madison54]

Although the idea of tying ones hands up to Prevent masturbation seems ridiculous didn't Mark E. Peterson suggest it?

19. In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half asleep.

http://mormoncurtain.com/topic_markepeterson.html

You know, I have no idea where he got the idea to try this (if he did actually do this).

[_Tim the Enchanter]

The telephone game can certainly distort reality and I don't know what the truth is here, but I wouldn't put it past some leaders I've known to do something like this.

If true, it's heartbreaking for this young man to be treated this way.

[_Madison54]

The telephone game can certainly distort reality and I don't know what the truth is here, but I wouldn't put it past some leaders I've known to do something like this.

If true, it's heartbreaking for this young man to be treated this way.

I honestly do not doubt that the Bishop has done this. I asked my son why his friend and his parents would allow it and my son isn't sure his parents even know.

[_Bob Loblaw]

I have no idea if the bishop actually did this, but knowing some of the bishops I have, I don't think this is all that far-fetched.

[_Themis]

All I know is what he's told my son. My son isn't lying nor am I.

Also, my son knows this boy can no longer use lots of his apps on his phone. So either he lied to my son or it's what the Bishop did. I know this man and don't doubt he'd be this controlling.

Stories can be very inaccurate even though no one in the line of telling the story is lying. The young man may have told to bishop to change the password on his phone. This seems reasonable if he is taking actions at night to try and avoid what he calls his demons. I have known bishops of all types.

[_Hades]

I've known bishops that controlling. At 18 I would have fallen for it. My mom would have went along with it. My dad would have flipped out. He would have shoved that cell phone up the bishop's a... Man, I miss my dad.

[_keithb]

All I know is what he's told my son. My son isn't lying nor am I.

Also, my son knows this boy can no longer use lots of his apps on his phone. So either he lied to my son or it's what the Bishop did. I know this man and don't doubt he'd be this controlling.

Stories can be very inaccurate even though no one in the line of telling the story is lying. The young man may have told to bishop to change the password on his phone. This seems reasonable if he is taking actions at night to try and avoid what he calls his demons. I have known bishops of all types.

Or, it might have been as simple as him asking the bishop WHETHER he should change the password on his phone to avoid porn and then having the bishop type one in. That also seems plausible to me.

However, this ignores the question of whether this is healthy behavior from the bishop, or the young man, in the first place. I really don't know of any other system of religious beliefs out there that this so overwhelmingly obsessed with whether or not its member are viewing pornography and masturbating. Maybe this is just because I haven't been exposed to a lot of other religious belief systems.

I think that the Mormon church needs to take a chill pill on masturbation. The age of easy internet pornography has arrived. I think that the Mormons can either learn to adapt to that or force increasingly larger amounts of guilt on their young members, probably leading them to inactivity later in life.

[_Madison54]

In this case, you have one teenager telling another teenager a story which is then relayed onto the mother of the teenager who heard the story. In my house, stories of injustice amongst teenagers run rampant and a bit of questioning usually leads to less-interesting but more plausible truths.

H.

You make a good point. I really didn't question my son much about this but just listened to what he said his friend told him (and my son didn't get into asking his friend for more details about it either). I have to admit that I am biased because I just don't care for this new Bishop as I've seen and heard some other very upsetting things about him. Luckily, I no longer attend and don't have to deal with him.

The whole thing just kind of creeps me out anyway....the obsession with grown men questioning young boys (and girls) about this and then making them feel so guilty regarding doing something that is completely natural and normal.

I do know for a fact that this young man has struggled with this and was seeing our old Bishop about it for a couple of years and it's really affected him negatively.

Also...why he feels he needs to share this with my son is a bit troubling, to be honest. Maybe because my son is completely inactive and he feels safe talking to him about it?

[_Madison54]

I think that the Mormon church needs to take a chill pill on masturbation. The age of easy internet pornography has arrived. I think that the Mormons can either learn to adapt to that or force increasingly larger amounts of guilt on their young members, probably leading them to inactivity later in life.

I agree.