zeezrom wrote:What if archaeologists find evidence that abuse of power was instrumental in the prosperity of the human race?
Would that justify abuse of power?
This thread stirs me up.
Zee, as an engineer, I'm sure that you already know that 'abuse of power' is 'instrumental in the prosperity of the human race.' Specifically, humanity's unparalleled ability and proclivity to exploit resources is one of things that have led us to where we are now.
I'm not surprised at all, Morley.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
Bonobo Smith would not have needed the angel with the flaming sword. Chimp Smith would have used one anyway.
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huckelberry wrote:Am I under some obligation to behave like a Chimp?
huckelberry wrote:I gather I am to imagine my behavior as not only imprisoned by the laws of Chimps but birds as well?
I don't think it's a matter of obligation or imprisonment, but one of justification: Is biology a justification for human polygamy in the context of the Abrahamic religions?
It might also be worth asking whether the Abrahamic religions can justify their unnatural (i.e. perverted) view of human sexuality.
Sethbag wrote:Bonobo Smith would not have needed the angel with the flaming sword.
Bonobo Smith...beautiful.
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I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
I think it's interesting to study why humans behave the way they do, but using this study as any sort of justification for behavior seems to me to confuse the is with the ought.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
huckelberry wrote:I gather I am to imagine my behavior as not only imprisoned by the laws of Chimps but birds as well?
imprisoned or liberated?
If I was seeking liberation I would use my mind to understand what sort of human relationships I desire to create. I would consider with other people how sexuality fits into those relationships. I would consider my human heart to find the form and energy of love.
I think the imitation of chimps may happen but that is not the same as understanding and creating good human relationships.
I can see inescapable overlap between human and chimp sexuality. I do not see how that fact can be a useful or intelligent basis for human decisions. Human relationships have evolved from the patterns of Chimps. They are no longer the same as Chimp society.
huckelberry wrote:Human relationships have evolved from the patterns of Chimps.
If I'm not mistaken, humans are not believed to have evolved from chimpanzees; humans and chimpanzees are believed to simply posses a common ancestor.
huckelberry wrote:I can see inescapable overlap between human and chimp sexuality. I do not see how that fact can be a useful or intelligent basis for human decisions.
Let's consider for a moment a loving, supportive, and sexual relationship between two (or more) adult humans who happen to posses similar external genitalia. Would you consider a relationship of this sort to be a good thing or a bad thing?
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I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
huckelberry wrote:Human relationships have evolved from the patterns of Chimps.
If I'm not mistaken, humans are not believed to have evolved from chimpanzees; humans and chimpanzees are believed to simply posses a common ancestor.
huckelberry wrote:I can see inescapable overlap between human and chimp sexuality. I do not see how that fact can be a useful or intelligent basis for human decisions.
Let's consider for a moment a loving, supportive, and sexual relationship between two (or more) adult humans who happen to posses similar external genitalia. Would you consider a relationship of this sort to be a good thing or a bad thing?
Erotic Apologist, All I have read agrees with your observation of a common ancestor. That is being more precise than my general comment. I do not think the view with more precision changes the point in question however.
Concerning homosexual relationships I do not think I am under an obligation to decide that for other people. I do not always find the relationships between love peace and sexuality easy for myself. I do not think they are easy for humans in general.
huckelberry wrote:Concerning homosexual relationships I do not think I am under an obligation to decide that for other people. I do not always find the relationships between love peace and sexuality easy for myself. I do not think they are easy for humans in general.
Thanks. I wish everybody were as open minded as you are.
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I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
Fiannan wrote: If you like evolutionary psychology...
I don't. It is pseudoscientific and utter bull****.
And as much as you may call it that it is growing in popularity within the academic community. As we throw behaviorism in the deserved trash heap we will eventually intersect with a biological version of Freudian psychology. And believe it or not, that can actually fit into the framework of religion as Jung stressed all along.
