DCP Reveals More About His "Ousting" from the MI

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Re: DCP Reveals More About His "Ousting" from the MI

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Doctor Scratch wrote:"The plan was deftly executed over a lengthy period of time." This doesn't mean that somebody made a snap judgment,


And Bradford's supervisors are so dense they didn't see it coming. And they are such milktoasts that they didn't try to reverse it even though they would really, really like to.

Doctor Scratch wrote:and it very, very seriously erodes DCP's claim that this was "petty politics." In order to get rid of him, Bradford and Co. would have had to build a pretty significant case.


Well, unless as DCP implies, Bradford's supervisors are blind, deaf and dumb, ergo, Bradford was acting totally on his own. And those supervisors still haven't figured out what happened so they can fire Bradford and restore DCP to his rightful place.
Doctor Scratch wrote:Prof. P. is either flat-out lying when he says that the GAs had "nothing to do with this,"


He offers nothing on how he "knows" this.
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Re: DCP Reveals More About His "Ousting" from the MI

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Doctor Scratch wrote:Markk helpfully provided a link on his current thread to this blog posting, which, I've come to learn, has actually been blowing up (some 70+ comments) over the course of the past few days, such that it's achieved a kind of "meltdown" quality, replete with DCP censoring posters and writing new comments over the censored remarks. But this posting was especially fascinating:

DCP wrote:I think it absolutely clear that the director of the Maxwell Institute, and two or three others now involved in the Maxwell Institute, engineered a coup because they didn’t like my approach. (I was, essentially, the last of the early leaders of FARMS, the forerunner of the Maxwell Institute, to be purged. The plan was deftly executed over a lengthy period of time.)

The General Authorities had nothing to do with it. Nor, so far as I can tell, did the Internet or message boards.

I think that the plotters didn’t expect me to resign as director of advancement (fundraising). They simply wanted me out as editor of the Review. I concluded, however, that I could not — as either a practical or an ethical matter — raise money for a redefined Maxwell Institute.
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First of all, it's not at all true that the GAs weren't up-to-speed on what was happening at the Maxwell Institute. Dr. Peterson simply isn't telling the truth when he claims that "The General Authorities had nothing to do with it." They may not have directly pulled the plug; they may not have put anything in writing, but it just isn't accurate--not at all, not by a long shot--to claim that they had "nothing to do with it."

Second, it's interesting that he describes this as a "coup" that was executed by newcomers to the MI. Check this out:

http://maxwellinstitute.BYU.edu/about/a ... ration.php

Notice anything different? I do. Two (arguably three) names seem new:

1) Joe Bonyata, the "Director of Publications"
2) Carl Griffin, "Director of Operations"

and (3) John Gee, who is now listed as in a special research capacity.

So, were Bonyata and Griffin involved in the "coup"? It's tough to say. I rather suspect that Kristen Heal and Paul Hoskisson had something to do with this, based on things that Bill Hamblin wrote in his blog. Further, I believe both Hoskisson and Heal have ties to the Religious Education department, and as we know, these folks aren't exactly on friendly terms with the Mopologists.

Interesting to see more pieces of the puzzle, in any case.


Side note:

This is the post by DCP in full context that scratch quoted...

I think it absolutely clear that the director of the Maxwell Institute, and two or three others now involved in the Maxwell Institute, engineered a coup because they didn’t like my approach. (I was, essentially, the last of the early leaders of FARMS, the forerunner of the Maxwell Institute, to be purged. The plan was deftly executed over a lengthy period of time.)

The General Authorities had nothing to do with it. Nor, so far as I can tell, did the Internet or message boards.

I think that the plotters didn’t expect me to resign as director of advancement (fundraising). They simply wanted me out as editor of the Review. I concluded, however, that I could not — as either a practical or an ethical matter — raise money for a redefined Maxwell Institute.

Treat me civilly, Markk, and you get a civil answer (and don’t get the boot from my blog). I know, however, that you’ve been scurrying over to MDB and calling me a liar, etc., etc. So I don’t expect you to be able to maintain this re-found civility for very long. And, to be honest, I don’t know why, since you consider me a liar, you bother to ask me questions.


I think he may actually believe this crap...using military type of words (bold) to describe his dismissal as if it was a Valkyrie type of conspiracy. The simply matter of fact is that they wanted to change directions and stop defining LDS thought to the folks, and Daniel was an embarrassment to the org. running around the world, via the web, calling ex-Mormons names is hardly becoming of a leader. I can see now why they let him go while he was gone, he probably would have chained himself to his desk and refused to leave...the way he has handled his dismissal says allot about his leadership qualities.

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Seeing that you monitor these posts, think about how silly you look from those on the outside looking in. You are/were a leader and expected to be a professional, not a loose canon waging a war of personal insults to ex-members questioning how they were raised...could you imagine Monson or other GA's running around the net calling their critics names...I understand you are not a GA, but the folks look up to you as a example, and your example led to an embarrassment to the real leadership.
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Re: DCP Reveals More About His "Ousting" from the MI

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And they say exmormons are bitter. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who is so self-absorbed that he's still talking about those mean people who conspired against him. Pathetic.
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Doesn't a coup take out the top guy (Bradford) not an underling (DCP)?
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lulu wrote:Doesn't a coup take out the top guy (Bradford) not an underling (DCP)?


Perhaps DCP thinks he was the top guy?
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Re: DCP Reveals More About His "Ousting" from the MI

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Bob Loblaw wrote:And they say exmormons are bitter. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who is so self-absorbed that he's still talking about those mean people who conspired against him. Pathetic.

Kind of like the old "You can leave the Church, but you can't leave it alone" line?

Just change the word "church" for "MI"

I also live the tried and true Mormon method of demonize the person, and not the action.
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Re: DCP Reveals More About His "Ousting" from the MI

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harmony wrote:
lulu wrote:Doesn't a coup take out the top guy (Bradford) not an underling (DCP)?


Perhaps DCP thinks he was the top guy?

It appears you may have answered your own question in a round about way.

It appears he doesn't "think", or his ability to "think" is diminished.
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Re: DCP Reveals More About His "Ousting" from the MI

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harmony wrote:
lulu wrote:Doesn't a coup take out the top guy (Bradford) not an underling (DCP)?


Perhaps DCP thinks he was the top guy?


Perhaps?
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Markk wrote:Seeing that you monitor these posts, think about how silly you look from those on the outside looking in. You are/were a leader and expected to be a professional, not a loose canon waging a war of personal insults to ex-members questioning how they were raised...could you imagine Monson or other GA's running around the net calling their critics names...I understand you are not a GA, but the folks look up to you as a example, and your example led to an embarrassment to the real leadership.


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Re: DCP Reveals More About His "Ousting" from the MI

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Yahoo Bot wrote:
I love it when anti-Mormons and atheists tell us how to live our religion.



I love it when purported LDS tell other LDS how to live their religion/life.
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