Testimony Meeting in North Korea

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Re: Testimony Meeting in North Korea

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Gadianton wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:We Mormons LIVE IN THE WORLD.... Our CHOICE to not live "of" it is a free choice, not coerced, not propagandized, brainwashed, etc.


How many times did you hear the LDS slogan, "In the world but not of the world" in primary, sacrament, priesthood, and seminary, before you began to repeat it on your own?

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Gadianton wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:We Mormons LIVE IN THE WORLD.... Our CHOICE to not live "of" it is a free choice, not coerced, not propagandized, brainwashed, etc.


How many times did you hear the LDS slogan, "In the world but not of the world" in primary, sacrament, priesthood, and seminary, before you began to repeat it on your own?


ldsfaqs wrote:Embracing by choice a statement of faith that if oft repeated, thinking it wise and good, is not brainwashing.
Further if you're going to make that claim, then ANYTHING can be called "brainwashing" simply because it's repeated by us or something/someone else, which completely eliminates the meaning of the word, especially as it relates to something that is 'bad', which is how you people attribute it as well as the dictionary.

Frankly though, we ALL are brainwashed..... But what you don't understand is that we ALL within freedom CHOOSE the brainwashing we like.

In contrast, people who don't have freedom like North Korea as less able to choose "not" to be brainwashed by a particular ideology/way. This is why your "comparison" between Mormonism and North Korea is invalid. We are FREE, they are not. We choose what we embrace of our own free will by having choices between and over other things. THEY DO NOT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE!!!

Thus, your "comparison" is FALSE. Why do you people enjoy LYING about people?

You're right. It is easier for the outside world to sympathize with the plight of NKs who have no choice than to sympathize with Mormons, that do.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Embracing by choice a statement of faith that if oft repeated, thinking it wise and good, is not brainwashing.


Begs the question.

ldsfaqs wrote:Further if you're going to make that claim, then ANYTHING can be called "brainwashing" simply because it's repeated by us or something/someone else, which completely eliminates the meaning of the word, especially as it relates to something that is 'bad', which is how you people attribute it as well as the dictionary.


You are correct that "we people" use words according to their dictionary-prescribed meanings. That you Mopologists alter the meaning of words generously in order to define your way out of a problem is not to your credit.

Repeating something and "brainwashing" are not the same thing, brainwashing involves repetition but repetition is not brainwashing. A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not necessarily a square.

Slogans typically convey value judgements or outright propaganda or misdirection and the repetition of the slogan reinforces the truth of the slogan absent analysis.

Frankly though, we ALL are brainwashed..... But what you don't understand is that we ALL within freedom CHOOSE the brainwashing we like.


I do agree with you that Mopologists choose to believe things because the thing is something the Mopologists like, rather than something that is probably true, which is why you and others are so upset with Kerry right now.

In contrast, people who don't have freedom like North Korea as less able to choose "not" to be brainwashed by a particular ideology/way.


But that's only because competing conservatives and then the Left, of course, prevent you from taking people's freedom to consider anything contrary to Mormon Doctrine away as is done in North Korea. If you and Droopy were allowed to write the laws of this country in a way that you believe is constitutional, people would be emigrating from the USA to the DPRK.

In Mormon Doctrine, every knee shall bow and confess Jesus is the Christ, am I wrong? In spirit prison, the wicked will be tormented -- as DPRK dissidents -- and experience "eternal hell" until they confess Jesus is the Christ (in the manner prescribed by Joseph Smith, which likely includes acknowledging the Book of Mormon as true). How is this different than the DPRK? It's more severe. As soon as you can bring the heavenly order of things here, you will.

We are FREE, they are not. We choose what we embrace of our own free will by having choices between and over other things. THEY DO NOT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE!!!


As noted above, you're only free because the Mormon Church's power is held at bay. As the influence of Mormonism increases, such as when reaching deep into Utah Valley, the likelihood of people not knowing anything but Mormonism is very high.
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Gadianton wrote:.
You outran me...

Never mind!



Gadianton wrote:But that's only because competing conservatives and then the Left, of course, prevent you from taking people's freedom to consider anything contrary to Mormon Doctrine away as is done in North Korea. If you and Droopy were allowed to write the laws of this country in a way that you believe is constitutional, people would be emigrating from the USA to the DPRK.
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This is such a perfect example, and one that I think if a Mormon tries to talk out of makes them look really, really, "toe, meet line." LDSFaqs, sorry but one of the main elements of brainwashing is the defending of not being brainwashed, and not knowing that you are. Westborogh Baptist Church.... the only church on the planet brave enough to say what every christian church really believes.... and... how can one get to that point..... brainwashing.
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Gadianton wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:We Mormons LIVE IN THE WORLD.... Our CHOICE to not live "of" it is a free choice, not coerced, not propagandized, brainwashed, etc.


How many times did you hear the LDS slogan, "In the world but not of the world" in primary, sacrament, priesthood, and seminary, before you began to repeat it on your own?

In context, pure brilliance. Well played Gadianton!
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I would also like to point out another way the above is a false point.

I heard and new the idea LONG before I was ever Mormon. It's a Christian idea, a religious idea, a Taoist idea.

Mormons aren't new in believing and accepting that slogan.
I'm religious, so I take it as my own, just as YOU take whatever ideology and make it your own.
How bout your repeated over and over again ideas that conservatives are "racists", don't want to allow gays to marry, are ignorant rednecks, or any number of BRAINWASHING you believe that is in fact an absolute LIE???

You people are really dumb! :rolleyes:
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"Conservatives are racist" is a highly subjective and broad declaration, but it isn't much of a slogan. I'm sure there are slogans out there meant to hammer home the idea in a catchy way, and to avoid justifying the point, but I just can't think of any right now. There is no question that much of politics is driven by slogans on both sides, which is one reason why I hate politics, and folks like you, BC, and Droopy love it.

Anyway,

ldsfaqs wrote:How bout your repeated over and over again ideas that conservatives are "racists", don't want to allow gays to marry, are ignorant rednecks, or any number of BRAINWASHING you believe that is in fact an absolute LIE???


Where have I ever made any of these statements, let alone repeated them:

"Conservatives are racists"

I don't believe this and I've never said it.

"Conservatives don't want to allow gays to marry"

If I were to have said this, are you really going to tell me it's a "LIE???"

"Conservatives are ignorant rednecks"

The square/rectangle thing; ignorant rednecks are conservatives. (lol)
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Sethbag wrote:In context, pure brilliance. Well played Gadianton!

+1

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