Ben Park Scrubbed From MI

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Who was the person erased from the Stalin photo and why is Stalin trying to conceal the ring of Nephi?
One such erasure was Nikola Yezhov, a secret police official who oversaw Stalin’s purges. For a while Yezhov worked at Stalin’s right hand, interrogating, falsely accusing and ordering the execution of thousands of Communist Party officials. But in 1938, Yezhov fell from Stalin’s favor after being usurped by one of his own deputies. He was denounced, secretly arrested, tried in a secret court, and executed.
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Yezhov was the guy:

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I find this kind of scrubbing genuinely concerning.

It is the outward manifestation of the way the church works in secret.

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And if you’re against us, we will make you cease to exist.
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The Rules of the Game!

Scrubbing Ben Park is Rule 5.

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This really is an extraordinary development. Either the MI administration "scrubbed" him, or this was ordered by the Apostles. (Or BYU admin, which is indistinguishable from the 12.) No matter how you slice it, this is insane: can you imagine Holland or one of the other GAs telling some BYU webmaster that they have to delete all these links? I mean: holy crap. The old, FARMS people went ballistic when this happened to their old, crappy articled *by accident.* And yet, here we have what appears to be deliberate censorship as a means of punishment.

On the one hand, I'm shocked that "SeN" hasn't been crowing about this: "Hey, look! 'Liberal' Ben Park has gotten a spanking from the Brethren!" Except the allegedly "Libertarian" proprietor is supposed to be in favor of "free speech" (despite rampant censorship on "SeN"). So, this is actually an extraordinary test of the Mopologists' mettle. Will they comment on this? And do they approve of what's happened, or not?
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Obviously, the Church is going through a difficult time of change. Instituting a pogrom against LGBTQ advocates is not an easy thing. They have to make liberal faculty members disappear and burn many books advocating tolerance. After a purge in the faculty, they can begin winnowing out gay and near gay students. When the BYU police force was being questioned, BYU started a new force consisting of 300 paid student snitches, so they are good to go from that aspect. Make their lives a living hell and they might cease and desist in the Lord's name from their "in the manner of Peor stuff"!!!


It is inopportune at the time BYU is seeking entry to the Big 12, but the Big 12 is desperate. With Texas and Oklahoma leaving, they probably want to divest themselves of "Steers and Queers" and what better way to do it than by admitting BYU.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:On the one hand, I'm shocked that "SeN" hasn't been crowing about this: "Hey, look! 'Liberal' Ben Park has gotten a spanking from the Brethren!" Except the allegedly "Libertarian" proprietor is supposed to be in favor of "free speech" (despite rampant censorship on "SeN"). So, this is actually an extraordinary test of the Mopologists' mettle. Will they comment on this? And do they approve of what's happened, or not?
Yeah, I agree with this, professor. I've actually gone over there a couple of times to check, and so far nothing. Is it possible this is being covered up? If so, what is the motive for that?

I'd bet that that there are contributors who would have a whole lot to say about it, but since their primary news source for all things LDS is controlling the information, they don't know about it.

I would call upon Defund the Police and Dave6 to bring this information to the people, but that might get them banned. So I'm not so sure. Plus, as recently revealed by Kiwi57 and Seatimer, these two luminaries have been put on ignore by a number of posters there.
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Ben parks hurting people because of his desired support lgbtq? Great. MI of all groups were among the first to fire off their muskets in response? Admittedly I find that a bit surprising. Figured it'd come from other sources.
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This really is an extraordinary development. Either the MI administration "scrubbed" him, or this was ordered by the Apostles. (Or BYU admin, which is indistinguishable from the 12.) No matter how you slice it, this is insane: can you imagine Holland or one of the other GAs telling some BYU webmaster that they have to delete all these links? I mean: holy crap. The old, FARMS people went ballistic when this happened to their old, crappy articled *by accident.* And yet, here we have what appears to be deliberate censorship as a means of punishment.

On the one hand, I'm shocked that "SeN" hasn't been crowing about this: "Hey, look! 'Liberal' Ben Park has gotten a spanking from the Brethren!" Except the allegedly "Libertarian" proprietor is supposed to be in favor of "free speech" (despite rampant censorship on "SeN"). So, this is actually an extraordinary test of the Mopologists' mettle. Will they comment on this? And do they approve of what's happened, or not?
I’m reminded of the time that Dr. Peterson thought that the Maxwell Institute had deliberately cropped him out of an old photo and he drew parallels to the the Soviet practice of erasing people who had fallen out of favor from photos.
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This really is an extraordinary development. Either the MI administration "scrubbed" him, or this was ordered by the Apostles. (Or BYU admin, which is indistinguishable from the 12.) No matter how you slice it, this is insane: can you imagine Holland or one of the other GAs telling some BYU webmaster that they have to delete all these links? I mean: holy crap.
Dr. Park believes this was initiated above the Institute level, which would make it BYU admin or GA.

It seems to me that the Old Guard’s ouster in 2012 set a precedent for censoring at MI. Makes me think that MI has become an inverted, nightmarish doppelgänger of its former FARMS self—perhaps the last place on earth a Mormon scholar would want to be. Everyone scrutinizes MI to see whether it’s too conservative or too liberal. What BYU is, MI is tenfold. Instead of badmouthing you publicly, they just wipe you from history.

By comparison the good old days of FARMS shenanigans seem quaint. Maybe sticking an apostle’s name on the place saddled it with all the insipidly boring bad juju of GAism. Seriously, I can’t imagine a more life-draining forcé than GAism. Anyone who finds spiritual sustenance in a glorified committee meeting has to be a kind of micro-black hole making all life force disappear.
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