Dr. Peterson's FAIR Conference Talk

[_Doctor Scratch]

DCP ought to be ashamed of himself. The talk is truly an unapologetically rambling, incoherent mess, and as Tom has shown, it's been cobbled together from bits and pieces of his past talks. It's the conference version of a "clip show" episode of a TV program: what producers throw together because they have to fill up air time, but they have nothing original to say. And at the end of the day, there were people who paid actual money to be there at the conference, and this was the keynote address. Busyness, to my mind, isn't an acceptable excuse: turn down the speaking engagement if you don't have the time or energy to do a good job.

Over on "Sic et Non," Dr. Peterson is blaming this in part on the transcription:

There’s nothing like a transcript of a rambling and semi-coherent oral presentation to ensure that you’re aware of how inarticulate you are. And there are several problems specific to this particular transcription. (I’ve just skimmed through it.) But I won’t complain; I’m grateful for the unpaid volunteers who devote hours and hours to transcribing these speeches.

Right. Meanwhile, on a different thread, he says the following (with no detectable irony):

Furthermore, the fact that the average professor works at the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople rather than at Harvard doesn't even begin to demonstrate that such average professors are impervious to the gratifying temptations of smug superiority. Tensions between "town and gown" are proverbial and go back to at least medieval times, and a low-rank academic is still entirely capable, should he or she be inclined to do so, of looking down on the insurance salesmen, housewives, auto mechanics, receptionists, and small businessmen who live in surrounding Podunk.

What better way to condescend to a bunch of paying rubes than showing up unprepared and giving a keynote talk that's pure, recycled trash? He owes them all an apology.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Don't journalists get fired, or at least reprimanded, for recycling articles?

- Doc

[_moksha]

I mean every week, most days, I get obscene emails, I suspect from him, most weeks, sometimes three and four.

Well, that's not good. I hope it is no one from this board sending such emails. Don't know if they are of the silly potty mouth variety (like those posts during the first few months of this board from a couple of ladies of the old FAIR board) or ones representing the worst of the Penthouse Letters.

It is a shame he gets harassment of that sort when criticism should be limited strictly to message boards and internal memos from the Maxwell.

[_Gadianton]

" the fact that the average professor works at the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople rather than at Harvard doesn't even begin to demonstrate that such average professors"

Wow -- let's uncover another truth using this insight. ...the average professor with a testimony on Mormon Scholars Testifiy works at the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople rather than at Harvard...

Would he helpfully list the schools on Mormon Scholars Testify that are too average to have bragging rights?

Note that there are no Harvard professors on MST.

[_MrStakhanovite]

The word apologetics, I’ve said this before here, is just the old Greek word for defense or an answer. In fact, in that verse, 1 Peter 3:15, “Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you…” The word that’s translated as answer is “apologia.” It’s just: give an apology, not meaning “I’m sorry”. That’s a later meaning of the word. That’s not what it originally meant. I’ve mentioned here before that you have Plato’s apology — the apology of Socrates. Any of you who’ve read that know that Socrates does not apologize. He’s defiant. They are going to put him to death and he says, “Fine, do it; but I’m not backing down from what I’ve been doing.” It’s not about saying “I’m sorry”; it’s defending what you’ve been doing, which he does, quite unrepentantly and defiantly. So, defense, answers, giving answers, giving reasons.

The.
Cutting.
Edge.

[Guest]

I mean every week, most days, I get obscene emails, I suspect from him, most weeks, sometimes three and four.

Well, that's not good. I hope it is no one from this board sending such emails. Don't know if they are of the silly potty mouth variety (like those posts during the first few months of this board from a couple of ladies of the old FAIR board) or ones representing the worst of the Penthouse Letters.

It is a shame he gets harassment of that sort when criticism should be limited strictly to message boards and internal memos from the Maxwell.

Moksha, much like the Second Watson Letter, these "obscene letters" just don't exist. I highly suspect DCP is making all of this up to drum up sympathy. Unfortunately for DCP and his legacy, there are literally hundreds of well-documented examples of his blatant dishonesty. These fake "obscene emails" are just one more example.

Keep in mind, DCP pulls out this gem about receiving "obscene emails" every few months. If DCP is truly receiving any obscene emails they are probably advertisments for boner bills, AshleyMadison.com or links to the Victoria Secret catalogue.

It's also interesting to see how this fake "obscene email" story keeps evolving. Just last year, DCP publicly posted that he receives 1 or 2 "obscene emails" per month. Now DCP has changed his story to receiving these emails "almost daily."

Very similar to the First Vision.

[_Kishkumen]

I mean every week, most days, I get obscene emails, I suspect from him, most weeks, sometimes three and four.

Well, that's not good. I hope it is no one from this board sending such emails. Don't know if they are of the silly potty mouth variety (like those posts during the first few months of this board from a couple of ladies of the old FAIR board) or ones representing the worst of the Penthouse Letters.

It is a shame he gets harassment of that sort when criticism should be limited strictly to message boards and internal memos from the Maxwell.

I don’t condone that kind of nastiness. Disagree, sure. But sending harassing emails? That’s crossing the line.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Well, that's not good. I hope it is no one from this board sending such emails. Don't know if they are of the silly potty mouth variety (like those posts during the first few months of this board from a couple of ladies of the old FAIR board) or ones representing the worst of the Penthouse Letters.

It is a shame he gets harassment of that sort when criticism should be limited strictly to message boards and internal memos from the Maxwell.

Moksha, much like the Second Watson Letter, these "obscene letters" just don't exist. I highly suspect DCP is making all of this up to drum up sympathy. Unfortunately for DCP and his legacy, there are literally hundreds of well-documented examples of his blatant dishonesty. These fake "obscene emails" are just one more example.

Keep in mind, DCP pulls out this gem about receiving "obscene emails" every few months. If DCP is truly receiving any obscene emails they are probably advertisments for boner bills, AshleyMadison.com or links to the Victoria Secret catalogue.

It's also interesting to see how this fake "obscene email" story keeps evolving. Just last year, DCP publicly posted that he receives 1 or 2 "obscene emails" per month. Now DCP has changed his story to receiving these emails "almost daily."

Very similar to the First Vision.

I don't know that I've seen any corroborating evidence that would help prove the existence of these "emails." If he gets them that frequently, he could easily do a blog post where he lists the 40 or 50 that he's gotten over the past couple of months. (He could also post the email address(es) of the person(s) sending them. He's got enough tech-savvy friends who could help him sleuth this thing out.)

And for the record: I have exchanged emails with Dr. Peterson exactly twice, clear back in circa 2005. He emailed me himself, actually, after I was banned from the old FAIRboard on account of a false accusation he made against me, and I was complaining here on MDB about it. So he was the one who initiated that conversation.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

... the apology of Socrates. Any of you who’ve read that know that Socrates does not apologize. He’s defiant. They are going to put him to death and he says, “Fine, do it; but I’m not backing down from what I’ve been doing.”

Boy, the irony of him using Socrates' defense of his own philosophy is, well, it can't be undersold. I wonder if he laid out what Socrates actually said?

- Do

[_Kishkumen]

Well, the emails are real folks. Now I have seen examples of them with my own two eyes.

I dearly hope that no one on this board is doing this. Filling the man’s inbox with childish, vulgar, and insulting emails? No. Get a life. Leave the man alone.

If it is someone here, cut it out. Seriously.