DCP: Homophobia is "a nonsense word."

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Re: DCP: Homophobia is "a nonsense word."

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Physics Guy wrote:I'm pretty sure Peterson was carping about the pseudo-Greek etymology of a word that would literally mean "fear of sameness" or something. I'm afraid I have to confess that for a few years I often bridled inside, in a similar way, at discussions of privilege, because I thought that "privilege" ought to mean having a "private law" and that didn't really fit the situation. Thankfully I never actually wrote or posted that brilliant analysis anywhere that I can recall.

It was a stupid approach to semantics. Words mean what most people intend them to mean, not what some learned wiseass thinks they should mean. English is full of firmly accepted words with bizarre etymologies.

More importantly, of course, in a discussion of something that harms a lot of people it's vicious to deflect the discussion with pedantic quibbles over terminology. It would still be vicious even if the pedantic quibbles were right.

At the far end of this spectrum are the morally brain-dead idiots chiding people for using the term "Holocaust" for an event in which not literally the whole Jewish people was burnt. I feel that I once took a few wretched steps along the start of that road, in my thinking. I've run back and don't want to go there again. It's sad to see Peterson a little farther along. He should hurry back, too.


If this is what Dr. Peterson has in mind, then what he will be doing is nonsense and a silly diversion. BYU and the church made some poor decisions on this one and arguing over the meaning of words will compound the errors.
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Re: DCP: Homophobia is "a nonsense word."

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Philo Sofee wrote:
Smokey wrote:Imagine losing everything, family, faith, the respect of your community and children, and being left to fish for compliments from apostates on a Friday night over some mediocre coloring. If the Kerry Shirts story isn’t a tragedy I don’t know what is.


Maybe I can pull a Midgley and call you a ____ coward for posting anonymously you COWARD! Come out with your REAL NAME and face me like you miserable pile. I'm going to look up your files and scent you out like a dog on a coon trail, and EXPOSE you, CHARLATAN! :lol:


While you’re at it, tell us what you think of “Doctor Scratch” posting insults anonymously for 20+ years. Or else you might have to add a chapter about becoming a massive fricking hypocrite to the “Kerry Shirts Tragedy” coloring book.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Physics Guy wrote:I'm pretty sure Peterson was carping about the pseudo-Greek etymology of a word that would literally mean "fear of sameness" or something. I'm afraid I have to confess that for a few years I often bridled inside, in a similar way, at discussions of privilege, because I thought that "privilege" ought to mean having a "private law" and that didn't really fit the situation. Thankfully I never actually wrote or posted that brilliant analysis anywhere that I can recall.

It was a stupid approach to semantics. Words mean what most people intend them to mean, not what some learned wiseass thinks they should mean. English is full of firmly accepted words with bizarre etymologies.

More importantly, of course, in a discussion of something that harms a lot of people it's vicious to deflect the discussion with pedantic quibbles over terminology. It would still be vicious even if the pedantic quibbles were right.

At the far end of this spectrum are the morally brain-dead idiots chiding people for using the term "Holocaust" for an event in which not literally the whole Jewish people was burnt. I feel that I once took a few wretched steps along the start of that road, in my thinking. I've run back and don't want to go there again. It's sad to see Peterson a little farther along. He should hurry back, too.


If this is what Dr. Peterson has in mind, then what he will be doing is nonsense and a silly diversion. BYU and the church made some poor decisions on this one and arguing over the meaning of words will compound the errors.

Diversion seems to be the only tactic, lately. And I don’t think LDS from the inside realize how obvious it is when word meanings are changed to accommodate something that went wrong. It’s as thought they can’t let go of a sunk cost.
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I do believe Dr. Scratch in demonstrating the silliness of many Mormon apologists arguments has done the world a huge unthanked favor. It is true the Mormon scholars have taken it personally since they are trained what to think, not in how to think. Just like the church has ingrained in your own cranium the worthless Mormon pop psychology of attempted shaming when others do figure out how to think, and it goes right over your head when it is displayed, so you attack the person. I've seen that for 20+ years as well. You are taught to use loaded words in certain social situations in order to quell and instill fear in others. The absolutely redeeming news for us is that now that so many of us are learning how to think, the Mormon pop psychology falls flat every time... chortle! And you users of this amateur manipulative thinking are unable to even see how utterly stupid the church has made you look when using it. You have been checkmated for decades in thousands of various instances in all areas of doctrine, history, and reality, and still cannot fathom it.

Best to you and yours.....
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Do you believe that your declining spiritual and mental condition has anything to do with the position you’re in today?

If you hadn’t lost so much, would you still be here, humiliating yourself, for approval from the same disgusting apostates that mocked you as a hillbilly rube just a few years ago?

Do you even play chess anymore?
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Philo Sofee:

It is true the Mormon scholars have taken it personally since they are trained what to think, not in how to think. Just like the church has ingrained in your own cranium the worthless Mormon pop psychology of attempted shaming when others do figure out how to think, and it goes right over your head when it is displayed, so you attack the person.


[bolding added to emphasize a very astute observation. Thanks, Philo.]
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I'm sure there are words like "faggot" and "feminazi" that register with clarity for the apologists when spoken by their fellow travelers.
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Gadianton wrote:I'm sure there are words like "faggot" and "feminazi" that register with clarity for the apologists when spoken by their fellow travelers.


I’m sure you hear at least one of those words quite often LMAO
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Gadianton wrote:I'm sure there are words like "faggot" and "feminazi" that register with clarity for the apologists when spoken by their fellow travelers.

Even “feminist” seems to be enough of a trigger. Odd.
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Smokey wrote:Do you believe that your declining spiritual and mental condition has anything to do with the position you’re in today?

If you hadn’t lost so much, would you still be here, humiliating yourself, for approval from the same disgusting apostates that mocked you as a hillbilly rube just a few years ago?

Do you even play chess anymore?


Ah yes, the famous cult formula of denigrating someone who doesn't think like you, and therefore their brains are rotting. So to play along with your cheesy little game, yes my spirituality is at an all time low now, and it makes it so I can't sleep, and I can't function anymore. My poor brain feels like I am losing approximately (based on current scientific calculations) 1,000,000,000 neuronal connections/second, hence within a mere couple years I shall be a blob of jelly unable to even so much as blink an eye. My sad demise has occurred because I actually began to use my brain, and now the old Mormon rust is falling off, thereby demonstrating my demise. Woe is me. Save me Jesus, save me Joseph! I have sinned! I have begun to think now! Using my brain in so great a sin has caused thy Holy Spirit to shrink from mine soul and I am so exposed...

As for playing chess anymore, sure, I play it, I do art, I enjoy shopping, and read a lot, write a lot, make friends everywhere I go, help out those who need help as I am able, make sure I help at least 10 people laugh daily, I exercise slightly, and so, yes, my life is on a downhill slide into utter annihilation of total despair, unhappiness, wistful hope that I can some day stop thinking again and become a good Mormon once more like you are, and just generally life sucks to have such an enjoyable time without all the guilt Mormonism instills. If I could just embrace the guilt and shaming again, my life would have spiritual meaning like yours does. Oh if I could just repent so that I might once again in righteousness judge everyone else who doesn't think like I do or believe like I do so I can do Jesus' work and make everyone fear, possess guilt, and cringe before Mormon authoritah. Oh that I could enter paradise again once more to behold the sunshine!
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