I'm really sorry you and your spouse are being put in literal mortal danger due to politics. I wish your administration would grow a spine and stick up for its faculty and facilitate the safer method of distance learning until we get through this thing.
I'm really sorry you and your spouse are being put in literal mortal danger due to politics. I wish your administration would grow a spine and stick up for its faculty and facilitate the safer method of distance learning until we get through this thing.
- Doc
Thanks for those kind thoughts, DocCam. It is a complicated situation, but we faculty do feel something like cannon fodder in it.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
I agree with considering the Spring term a wash, but unfortunately, the bills for my three children’s semesters were not so understanding. Full price is demanded, even though the full service was not rendered. Even if the cause is an act of God, that’s not a good reason for requiring that the full financial burden be borne solely by the consumer.
in my opinion only, the faculty should be paid as their commitment in theory didn’t change (full disclosure I am faculty) the students didn’t receive the full service and shouldn’t have to pay full price, and the institutions should not insist on charging consumers for a product they didn’t deliver.
I don’t agree with the lawsuit in the OP, unless he is simply asking for a reduction in the spring tuition.
Spring is a wash. The pandemic has brought a near war-like condition upon the USA and the whole world.
Because of the pandemic there is a war-like condition (well beyond a riot) that encompasses the earth with terrible grip. The price ($$$) has to go up! The same product that people are used to is no longer available because of the pandemic. The alternative and substitute is however available but at the same price or higher even though the standard or quality is reduced. Business as usual is a thing of the past. Everything is changing. The world will never be the same again. This pandemic is shifting the entire planet into a new phase.
I agree with considering the Spring term a wash, but unfortunately, the bills for my three children’s semesters were not so understanding. Full price is demanded, even though the full service was not rendered. Even if the cause is an act of God, that’s not a good reason for requiring that the full financial burden be borne solely by the consumer.
in my opinion only, the faculty should be paid as their commitment in theory didn’t change (full disclosure I am faculty) the students didn’t receive the full service and shouldn’t have to pay full price, and the institutions should not insist on charging consumers for a product they didn’t deliver.
I don’t agree with the lawsuit in the OP, unless he is simply asking for a reduction in the spring tuition.
From the article:
Hiatt, of Bountiful, is entitled to a pro-rated refund for tuition and fees for the remaining days of winter semester after classes moved from in-person to online and campus facilities were closed, according to the suit. He paid $2,895 in tuition and fees for winter semester and $1,200 for spring. He expects to graduate next June.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
I found this semester—ours just ended two weeks ago—much more work than a normal one. It was probably nonetheless a poorer learning experience for the students. I and my colleagues and our TA’s tried our best, but in-person communication is hard to replace. I didn’t use to think it mattered but you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.
Nobody is suing German universities, though, because we never charge tuition fees. My North American colleagues are likewise doing their best under hard circumstances but their students have been charged a lot for it by their institutions. I’m really happy not to feel this burden.
Hiatt, of Bountiful, is entitled to a pro-rated refund for tuition and fees for the remaining days of winter semester after classes moved from in-person to online and campus facilities were closed, according to the suit. He paid $2,895 in tuition and fees for winter semester and $1,200 for spring. He expects to graduate next June.
Excellent. I wish the schools billing me would price similarly.
I found this semester—ours just ended two weeks ago—much more work than a normal one. It was probably nonetheless a poorer learning experience for the students. I and my colleagues and our TA’s tried our best, but in-person communication is hard to replace. I didn’t use to think it mattered but you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.
Nobody is suing German universities, though, because we never charge tuition fees. My North American colleagues are likewise doing their best under hard circumstances but their students have been charged a lot for it by their institutions. I’m really happy not to feel this burden.
Good points, and it is a burden, one I’m feeling from both ends, as both a provider of and a payer for.
I found this semester—ours just ended two weeks ago—much more work than a normal one. It was probably nonetheless a poorer learning experience for the students. I and my colleagues and our TA’s tried our best, but in-person communication is hard to replace. I didn’t use to think it mattered but you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.
Nobody is suing German universities, though, because we never charge tuition fees. My North American colleagues are likewise doing their best under hard circumstances but their students have been charged a lot for it by their institutions. I’m really happy not to feel this burden.
I wish we did have free tuition. The American model of education is frankly stupid. But, we have what we have . . . for now. Maybe this experience will make the flaws and abuses of the system more evident and show it is all unsustainable. When it comes to publicly or religiously subsidized education, I am less exacting in my demands of the university for Spring.
If I were paying for truly private education, or out-of-state tuition, I would totally see suing for the failures of Spring as a reasonable response. But, frankly, the tuition of publics and religious schools like BYU is heavily subsidized, and so I think the people already benefiting from that subsidization should lump it. Again, however, I am thinking of Spring. The idea that the financial model should be the same going forward when the education is not actually the same does not make sense to me.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
