The Book of Abraham can be saved and has verifiable historical authenticity
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“The founding of Egypt story contained in the Book of Abraham is an obvious metaphor used by the author of the book of Abraham to illustrate the power of the priesthood and the covenant of God with his people blah blah blah interpreter babble blah blah interesting parallels blah blah and more hand waving. QED Shulem is wrong. ”
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Re: The Book of Abraham can be saved and has verifiable historical authenticity
drumdude wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:17 pm“The founding of Egypt story contained in the Book of Abraham is an obvious metaphor used by the author of the book of Abraham to illustrate the power of the priesthood and the covenant of God with his people blah blah blah interpreter babble blah blah interesting parallels blah blah and more hand waving. QED Shulem is wrong. ”
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Good, let's reduce the Book of Abraham as a metaphor or better yet: "Pseudepigrapha," because it's not a genuine historical telling of *how* and *when* Egypt was founded. There is nothing of historical value contained in the chapters and explanations of the Book of Abraham. It's all bunk! Garbage. John Gee is the garbage man who shall carry the garbage off!
Screw you, Gee, you dirtbag! (trashman)

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Re: The Book of Abraham can be saved and has verifiable historical authenticity
Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:53 amNew and startling research, and I don't mean Hugh Nibley's 1970 - 1990's new either.
The QUESTION remains, does the BYP have what it takes to confront the apologists in their great contradiction of accepting the Narmer Palette dated at 3000 BC vs. Ham's girl hopping off the ark in 2300 BC to head south from Ararat and discover Egypt?
What say ye, BYP? Are you going to be the first person in the history of Mormon apologetics to bring this to the forefront (live on air) and destroy (NUKE) the Book of Abraham while doing it? You now have the ultimate weapon at your disposal (with my compliments) and can sew chaos and dissent for the apologists as they scramble to come up with excuses. You can chop the head off Joe's hissing snake!
Do you have what it takes? Do you have the courage? Are you aware that the apologists have no choice but to shake in their boots and run for the hills?
You have the greatest weapon loaded in your arsenal if only you'll use it. The apologists have been crossing their fingers for years praying that nobody would drop the big BOMB and now it looks like the time is finally drawing near because the BYP is going to square up his shoulders and sound the alarm.
You, BYP, have more power at your fingertips then you can imagine by using this weapon. It's a sure bet.
Chewy, just do it.

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Hey Chewy, there's Gee with Mulhestein his lapdog and little boy-Smoot too.
Get him, Chewy!

Get him, Chewy!

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Re: The Book of Abraham can be saved and has verifiable historical authenticity
Deal, I shall go and do as the Lord hath commanded, for I know he given no commandments save he prepare a way for them to be accomplished. I shall return and report once the Nuke is dropped.Shulem wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:02 pmPhilo Sofee wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:53 amNew and startling research, and I don't mean Hugh Nibley's 1970 - 1990's new either.
The QUESTION remains, does the BYP have what it takes to confront the apologists in their great contradiction of accepting the Narmer Palette dated at 3000 BC vs. Ham's girl hopping off the ark in 2300 BC to head south from Ararat and discover Egypt?
What say ye, BYP? Are you going to be the first person in the history of Mormon apologetics to bring this to the forefront (live on air) and destroy (NUKE) the Book of Abraham while doing it? You now have the ultimate weapon at your disposal (with my compliments) and can sew chaos and dissent for the apologists as they scramble to come up with excuses. You can chop the head off Joe's hissing snake!
Do you have what it takes? Do you have the courage? Are you aware that the apologists have no choice but to shake in their boots and run for the hills?
You have the greatest weapon loaded in your arsenal if only you'll use it. The apologists have been crossing their fingers for years praying that nobody would drop the big BOMB and now it looks like the time is finally drawing near because the BYP is going to square up his shoulders and sound the alarm.
You, BYP, have more power at your fingertips then you can imagine by using this weapon. It's a sure bet.
Chewy, just do it.
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Re: The Book of Abraham can be saved and has verifiable historical authenticity
Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:52 pmDeal, I shall go and do as the Lord hath commanded, for I know he given no commandments save he prepare a way for them to be accomplished. I shall return and report once the Nuke is dropped.
O man, the apologists are now in for it. They have tried to take the whole of the Book of Abraham and run it way down the timeline by keeping everyone focused on the Jews and late antiquity Egypt rather than the time and dating specifically given in the narrative of chapter one. The apologists are desperate to keep people from thinking about the actual claims outlined in the TEXT of the Book of Abraham regarding the origins and timeframe in which Egypt was supposedly invented according to Smith's silly translations of papyri in which he pretended he could read!

John Gee, look out! You haven't a leg to stand on! You are going to be busted down and chopped to bits. Just as soon as Gee sticks his neck out on this one he can be sure that his colleagues will rein him in, finally. Gee has a choice, he can join Immanuel Velikovsky and David Rohl and become the Mormon crackpot Egyptologist he was destined to become or admit that the Book of Abraham narrative is false history.
What will it be, Gee? You better buckle up you SOB! You are no match for the BYP! He has been well trained and is fully armed to take you down until you cry, "I've had enough."
Sic!

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Re: The Book of Abraham can be saved and has verifiable historical authenticity
Mormons have said many times that they do not hold with the sciences and philosophies of Mankind and instead will go with what Joseph Smith told them. This all seems extraneous since Mormons know that the earth ended on his 85th birthday according to revelation.
Dr. Muhlestein would reject any information that does not agree with his faith, such as the early history of Egypt, as well as evidence that the world is older than 7000 years.
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Second Dynasty of Egypt (c. 2890 BC–c. 2686 BC)
King Khasekhemwy
Reigned 18 years ca. 2690 BC, prior to any pyramid construction
Egyptology dates the last king of the Second Dynasty as having occurred hundreds of years before the deluge recorded in the Jewish Bible and Smith's so-called lady Egyptus who founded Egypt with her so-called son named, Pharaoh.
It sucks to be you, Muhlestein, a liar for the Lord and traitor to the Egyptians!
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Moksha wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:47 pmMormons have said many times that they do not hold with the sciences and philosophies of Mankind and instead will go with what Joseph Smith told them. This all seems extraneous since Mormons know that the earth ended on his 85th birthday according to revelation.
There are two kinds of Mormons: Then-Mormons and Now-Mormons.
The Mormons living in Smith's day believed their prophet and they had no idea he wouldn't live to see his 85th birthday!
The Now-Mormons of our day will become Then-Mormons to future Mormons who will throw them under the bus and run them over even though they are already dead.
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King Djoser ca. 2686–2648 BC of the Third Dynasty
Djoser wrote: I have something to say to Joseph Smith and the dumb-ass Mormons who believe a Jewish Bible that chronicles a universal flood having occurred hundreds of years after my death and by which some heathen bastard child by the name of "Pharaoh" founded my kingdom in which I reign:
Go to hell, you Goddamn Mormons! You Goddamn liars!