Jeff Holland hospitalized
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It seems Jeff lacks the faith to not be healed…
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I've got to expect that, even for someone who truly believes in heaven and being together forever, that having your spouse of 60 years die must be heartbreaking. Even though I don't agree with Holland on many matters, I do wish him solace and comfort in this difficult time.
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What matters do you disagree with Holland on?Advocate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:42 pmI've got to expect that, even for someone who truly believes in heaven and being together forever, that having your spouse of 60 years die must be heartbreaking. Even though I don't agree with Holland on many matters, I do wish him solace and comfort in this difficult time.
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Seconded. I want to see what a believer means when they say that.Gadianton wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:49 pmWhat matters do you disagree with Holland on?Advocate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:42 pmI've got to expect that, even for someone who truly believes in heaven and being together forever, that having your spouse of 60 years die must be heartbreaking. Even though I don't agree with Holland on many matters, I do wish him solace and comfort in this difficult time.
Hugh Nibley claimed he bumped into Adolf Hitler, Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill, Gertrude Stein, and the Grand Duke Vladimir Romanoff. Dishonesty is baked into Mormonism.
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Third. I too would like to see some discussion here from the advocate.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:12 pmSeconded. I want to see what a believer means when they say that.
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Disagreeing with the brethren is the unpardonable sin of Mormonism.Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:01 pmThird. I too would like to see some discussion here from the advocate.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:12 pmSeconded. I want to see what a believer means when they say that.
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Didn't expect this question. Here are a few things from recent years that come to mind:Gadianton wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:49 pmWhat matters do you disagree with Holland on?Advocate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:42 pmI've got to expect that, even for someone who truly believes in heaven and being together forever, that having your spouse of 60 years die must be heartbreaking. Even though I don't agree with Holland on many matters, I do wish him solace and comfort in this difficult time.
- Musket fire talk was inappropriate: use of "musket fire" analogy not appropriate nor was attacking Matt Easton for his preapproved talk;
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I disagree with you on this.drumdude wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:23 pmDisagreeing with the brethren is the unpardonable sin of Mormonism.Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:01 pmThird. I too would like to see some discussion here from the advocate.
Disagreeing with the brethren is generally not an issue in the church. It's vocalizing the disagreement that they don't like. Emperors don't like people pointing out that they have no clothes.
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Agreed. Although the church seems to have discovered that excommunicating people is not the solution to that problem and only makes them look worse.