"I tend not to rely very heavily on first-person" accounts: 'SeN" Delivers a Devastating Blow to the Witnesses

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Re: "I tend not to rely very heavily on first-person" accounts: 'SeN" Delivers a Devastating Blow to the Witnesses

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I think he's being honest here. Had he not been born Mormon, he would never take the Witnesses accounts seriously.
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He’s really a crank.
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The mope leader is hypocritical once again. All support for Mormon claims is ironclad and anyone against it is crazy, regardless of how crazy the Mormon claims are or however obviously nonsensical they are. One must accept them based on feelings or face certain hardship in the future worlds. The leaders tell us so and we do not question. Outside mormondom, we should be critical and question all claims.
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Gadianton wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:42 am
I think he's being honest here. Had he not been born Mormon, he would never take the Witnesses accounts seriously.
Maybe. But you probably recall him boasting about the fact that, as a young lad, he was eagerly devouring books by Marx, Hegel, Plato, Locke, and Adam Smith. And he says that he didn’t get “into” Mormonism until later. He has essentially portrayed himself as a precocious teenage convert. But as far as I know, he’s never said that the Witnesses were the tipping point.

Instead, I think that, as an adult, he’s had to confront the consequences of his choices, and this hardcore defense of the Witnesses is a retroactive attempt to smooth over a lot of past embarrassment.
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This completely gives away his thought process:
...I myself am now sufficiently well informed about NDEs that I could easily write my own bogus paint-by-numbers autobiographical account...
Does this work in other areas?

"...I myself am now sufficiently well informed about [Book of Mormon witnesses] that I could easily write my own bogus paint-by-numbers autobiographical account [like the Book of Mormon witnesses did]..."

So, learning about an alleged event gives him the knowledge necessary to fake that event. You canNOT make this stuff up.
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Marcus wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:10 am
This completely gives away his thought process:
...I myself am now sufficiently well informed about NDEs that I could easily write my own bogus paint-by-numbers autobiographical account...
Does this work in other areas?

"...I myself am now sufficiently well informed about [Book of Mormon witnesses] that I could easily write my own bogus paint-by-numbers autobiographical account [like the Book of Mormon witnesses did]..."

So, learning about an alleged event gives him the knowledge necessary to fake that event. You canNOT make this stuff up.
He’s actually undermining all NDE’s, even those he chooses to find convincing. Anyone with a bit of research can write a compelling NDE account? He’s suggesting everyone could be lying. The similarities between NDE accounts that he finds convincing, are also a hallmark of copycatting. And he’s chosen to write a book about it? I’m guessing that’s because he can give huge swathes of word count over to copying and pasting lots of NDE accounts, reducing the amount of original (or plagiarised) content he needs to provide himself.

Will NDE’s provide the subject matter for his next box office disaster?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Gadianton wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:42 am
I think he's being honest here. Had he not been born Mormon, he would never take the Witnesses accounts seriously.
Exactly.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:21 pm
Whoa! What?? He tends "not to rely very heavily upon first-person" accounts of their own NDEs?? This is shocking! Can you imagine what would happen if he applied this same standard to the Book of Mormon Witnesses?
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Quite interesting, in any case, to see such open admission of brazen hypocrisy.
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Brigham Young was, very clearly, a racist by ordinary twenty-first century American standards. There can be no serious question about that.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... -mind.html

Was that covered in the film 6DIA?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:40 pm
Brigham Young was, very clearly, a racist by ordinary twenty-first century American standards. There can be no serious question about that.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... -mind.html

Was that covered in the film 6DIA?
The Brigham Young that the Afore portrayed in Six Days was wise beyond years, benevolent and so in tune with God that he literally spoke the Adamic language and could command animals to do his bidding. Oh, and it was important to the Afore to portray Brigham Young as very handsome, strong, tan, with straight blindingly white teeth and a magnificent mane of hair with highlights. I'm now wondering to myself, is the Afore gay?


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