Joseph Smith--the best 'wing man' Brigham Young ever had

[MG 2.0]

24 “So then, anyone who hears these words of mine and obeys them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain poured down, the rivers flooded over, and the wind blew hard against that house. But it did not fall, because it was built on rock.

26 “But anyone who hears these words of mine and does not obey them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain poured down, the rivers flooded over, the wind blew hard against that house, and it fell. And what a terrible fall that was!”

No, the scripture has nothing to say about this. If it did, you’d explain it.

I thought it was fairly self-explanatory when I read it. Martha and Elizabeth were sisters, yet their trajectories took them to different places. Martha Brotherton was a disciple of John C. Bennett. Her sister was a disciple of Jesus Christ.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Good gravy.

It boggles my noggin' that people can read that and think "Yup, those were totes men of God, only doing what Jesus wanted them to do."

It’s kind of sweet that MG 2.0 came along and did just that.

Free country, right? Sorry if I'm treading on some kind of sacred ground of criticism.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

No one apparently wants to pay any mind to Elizabeth.

Regards,
MG

[Morley]

It’s kind of sweet that MG 2.0 came along and did just that.

Free country, right? Sorry if I'm treading on some kind of sacred ground of criticism.

Regards,
MG

No apologies, my friend. Glad to see you here. As I said, it’s sorta sweet that you are willing to appear on cue, to try to spread frosting on this cow pie.

[Morley]

I thought it was fairly self-explanatory when I read it. Martha and Elizabeth were sisters, yet their trajectories took them to different places. Martha Brotherton was a disciple of John C. Bennett. Her sister was a disciple of Jesus Christ.

Regards,
MG

Really? A disciple of Bennett? This is pure BS.

[MG 2.0]

Free country, right? Sorry if I'm treading on some kind of sacred ground of criticism.

Regards,
MG

No apologies, my friend. Glad to see you here. As I said, it’s sorta sweet that you are willing to appear on cue, to try to spread frosting on this cow pie.

Thank you for your kind response. That's my job! I didn't want it to get too far without a bit of contrariness.

Regards,
MG

[Morley]

No one apparently wants to pay any mind to Elizabeth.

Regards,
MG

Did you not read Bret’s post? He introduced her.

[Morley]

Martha Brotherton was a disciple of John C. Bennett. Her sister was a disciple of Jesus Christ.

You get upset when folks here accuse you of being dishonest. Even I sometimes think it’s wrong when folks here accuse you of being dishonest. But here you’re showing that you and I are both wrong to be bothered by that.

You’re telling a blatant lie just because you like the sound of it.

[Kishkumen]

Good gravy.

It boggles my noggin' that people can read that and think "Yup, those were totes men of God, only doing what Jesus wanted them to do."

Yes, it is gross. Very disillusioning. I can’t see defending this behavior in good conscience. Not me!

[MG 2.0]

Martha Brotherton was a disciple of John C. Bennett. Her sister was a disciple of Jesus Christ.

You get upset when folks here accuse you of being dishonest. Even I sometimes think it’s wrong when folks here accuse you of being dishonest. But here you’re showing that you and I are both wrong to be bothered by that.

You’re telling a blatant lie just because you like the sound of it.

I went back and brushed up on my reading. It's been years since I looked at Nauvoo polygamy and the relationship between John C. Bennett and Joseph Smith. The brothels. The Higbees. Martha Brotherton and others that submitted affidavits to Bennett that ended up in his book. Martha along with some others accused JCB of basically seducing women. Later Bennett tried to pawn off his guilt onto Joseph Smith to try and take him down because Joseph had essentially lost patience with him and canned him taking away his positions of influence and authority. The thing I haven't figured out and maybe someone can help me, is why did Martha give Bennett what he asked for when Martha had joined in with others accusing him of womanizing and doing the dirty deeds he did? It doesn't seem to make sense on some level. It could be that I'm REALLY rusty on what I'd read a long time ago and there are some missing pieces there somewhere.

There isn't any direct connection with Bennett and Brotherton as far as I know as far as her being one of his brothel or spiritual wives there in Nauvoo. Some have said that since she apparently was unemployed, she was involved in some shady stuff along with Bennett, but I haven't seen any hard evidence. I don't know what Brian Hales might have written in this regard except for the fact that he mentions Bennett's unreliability as a source and his tendency to distort or manipulate the facts for his purposes.

So, things seem to be a little fuzzy. I can't figure out why Martha would have willingly given Bennett her affidavit knowing that he was a scoundrel and would most likely manipulate what she said in some form or fashion. And he had it in for Joseph Smith. It seems rather shady.

I may have misspoke when I literally called her a "disciple" of Bennett but I do question whether or not he had some kind of undue influence over her for some reason or another. But I don't have any proof, just conjecture, on that point.

Regards,
MG