Russell Nelson has lost his sight.

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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 7:53 pm
Tom wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 7:19 pm

Everybody Wang Chung, I am heartened to hear that you remain firm in the faith. I must confess that some church members of my acquaintance have shared private doubts with me that President Nelson can “see around corners,” citing the fact that he—a prophet, seer, and revelator; physician; and holder of a doctoral degree from the University of Minnesota—failed to warn us about the COVID-19 epidemic that has now killed more than seven million people worldwide.

I admit that I do not possess the childlike faith of the very Chapel Mormon with whom you spoke. I do confess that I could not resolve the concerns of the Chapel Mormons of my acquaintance. Nor could I recommend apologetic resources to them. As far as I know, the Interpreter Foundation is not planning a dramatic film or documentary film series to demonstrate that President Nelson is a true prophet of God. (My acquaintances were not persuaded by Six Days in August’s attempts to portray Brigham Young as a prophet and harbor doubts about the forthcoming Bowdlerizing Brigham film series.)

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Gents, as you know I am afflicted with incurable inquisitiveness. It gets me into all sorts of trouble. But my research suggests that the order of Presidential succession is not governed by the hosts of heaven, but by a clause within the corporate documents relating to the Corporation of the President. I’m unaware of any provision for the incapacity, but not death, of the incumbent other than his counsellors picking up the slack. If he were to expire then, temporarily, governance would fall to the President of the Q12 - and yes no dodo.

Another line of questioning I have is Nelson’s promise that the restoration was an ongoing process. So what has Nelson “restored” that was once operated during Christ’s day but which fell away until he restored it?

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There has been some restructuring to the two corporations sole (Presiding Bishop, President). I highly doubt that it is like the good old days where the entirety of the wealth was in the "prophet's" name. If that were still the case, technically and literally, the prophet would be richer than Musk soon.
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Whiskey wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 8:33 pm
There has been some restructuring to the two corporations sole (Presiding Bishop, President). I highly doubt that it is like the good old days where the entirety of the wealth was in the "prophet's" name. If that were still the case, technically and literally, the prophet would be richer than Musk soon.
Are you able to point me in the right direction to read about those changes?
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 8:44 pm
Whiskey wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 8:33 pm
There has been some restructuring to the two corporations sole (Presiding Bishop, President). I highly doubt that it is like the good old days where the entirety of the wealth was in the "prophet's" name. If that were still the case, technically and literally, the prophet would be richer than Musk soon.
Are you able to point me in the right direction to read about those changes?
I will look and see what I can find. I spoke to the editor of Forbes one year. I got to ask why Monson was not on the Forbes list. She was cool and we talked for a while. In a nutshell - religious folks and despots are excluded. The vatican and pope, the corporations sole of the presiding bishop and president, and the Sultan of Swing, I guess. Not on the list.
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Whiskey wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 6:12 pm
Well, I didn't plan to sustain Nelson as a seer before this, but now I really ain't. No way.
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Tom wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 5:53 pm
President Nelson would do well to step down. It would be unprecedented, sure, but it would be a positive step for him, his family, and the church going forward. Presidents Oaks and Eyring would then have precedent to go emeritus. Church members would accept the change. I recall Nelson’s 2018 words: “We are witnesses to a process of restoration. If you think the Church has been fully restored, you are just seeing the beginning. There is much more to come. Wait till next year, and then the next year. Eat your vitamin pills. Get some rest. It’s going to be exciting.”

There’s nothing sacrosanct about the apostle with the longest tenure automatically becoming the church president. Apostles could actually seek inspiration as to who should be the new church president. Would the Apostles make a change if the senior Apostle set to become church president was in a coma?
Here's what I'd like to see:
- Pres Nelson steps down
- apostles are forbidden to "consult" with anyone - especially their fellow apostles
- there's a "blind" (no pun intended) ballot amongst the apostles for prophet
- public announcement of the results

I have my own ideas about what would not happen
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drumdude wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 3:48 pm
I’m afraid Oaks won’t be any better.
Why? Has he lost his sight, too?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 11:13 pm
drumdude wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 3:48 pm
I’m afraid Oaks won’t be any better.
Why? Has he lost his sight, too?
Spiritual sight maybe. Badoom ching.
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Limnor wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 11:16 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 11:13 pm

Why? Has he lost his sight, too?
Spiritual sight maybe. Badoom ching.
Can't see properly. (spoken with the intrusive "r")
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AI says the church changed its organizational form in 2019 from a corporation sole to a corporation (presumably with shareholders and a board of directors.)
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 7:53 pm
Tom wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 7:19 pm

Everybody Wang Chung, I am heartened to hear that you remain firm in the faith. I must confess that some church members of my acquaintance have shared private doubts with me that President Nelson can “see around corners,” citing the fact that he—a prophet, seer, and revelator; physician; and holder of a doctoral degree from the University of Minnesota—failed to warn us about the COVID-19 epidemic that has now killed more than seven million people worldwide.

I admit that I do not possess the childlike faith of the very Chapel Mormon with whom you spoke. I do confess that I could not resolve the concerns of the Chapel Mormons of my acquaintance. Nor could I recommend apologetic resources to them. As far as I know, the Interpreter Foundation is not planning a dramatic film or documentary film series to demonstrate that President Nelson is a true prophet of God. (My acquaintances were not persuaded by Six Days in August’s attempts to portray Brigham Young as a prophet and harbor doubts about the forthcoming Bowdlerizing Brigham film series.)

Posted from Pseudopolyandry, Utah
Gents, as you know I am afflicted with incurable inquisitiveness. It gets me into all sorts of trouble. But my research suggests that the order of Presidential succession is not governed by the hosts of heaven, but by a clause within the corporate documents relating to the Corporation of the President. I’m unaware of any provision for the incapacity, but not death, of the incumbent other than his counsellors picking up the slack. If he were to expire then, temporarily, governance would fall to the President of the Q12 - and yes no dodo.

Another line of questioning I have is Nelson’s promise that the restoration was an ongoing process. So what has Nelson “restored” that was once operated during Christ’s day but which fell away until he restored it?

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I’m not familiar with the corporate documents myself, so I cannot speak on that topic. But I do have some related questions that I would pose to LDS church leaders and Kirton McConkie to address: if the church president dies and the longest-serving apostle happens to be in a coma or in a state of dementia, would the Quorum of the Twelve/Fourteen Apostles, headed by the second-longest-serving apostle, preside over the church until the senior apostle died and the First Presidency could then be reorganized following standard operating procedures first established in the first century C.E. 1898. Or could the apostles receive revelation to amend The Unwritten Order of Things by sustaining the second-longest-serving apostle as church president?
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