When I was just a little boy.....

[I Have Questions]

The move to allow the ladies to go out at 19 just confirmed this.

My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one.

Regards,
MG

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Remind us, where did you serve your senior mission Mr. Hypocrite? Note: I'm not criticizing you as a person.

[Black Moclips]

I remember doing the same thing to inactives I met along the way during my mission. So maybe I was little annoyed at myself too, thinking back how clueless I was at 19. I had zero life experience, zero wisdom, and zero real empathy - I was just charging around doing what I was told to do and how to behave.

Reminds me of how I was when serving my mission. I was a real prick.

To which they laughingly responded in typical proud, bold, strong in the faith missionaries they are taught to be, that there was nothing I could say that would sway them or cause them to doubt as they have heard it all......

Send those little bastards my way so I can devour them and shove the Book of Abraham down their throats so hard they won't know what hit them. Not even MG will be able to save their sorry asses once I'm done with them.

I admire the enthusiasm! Statistically speaking, a majority of them will get there all on their own one day.

[malkie]

In my (admittedly scant) experience, missionaries are simply not equipped by the church to handle thoughtful disagreement, or even serious, informed questions.

Several years ago the missionaries in my area came for dinner a couple of times - I think that my daughter invited them, but that's a detail. The senior companion asked me if they could come back some time to have the junior companion - newbie - teach me the lessons "because he needed to practice his presentation skills." I'd heard this story before, and recognised the intent that almost certainly lay behind it: see if you can bring Bro malkie back to church.

I replied that they were welcome to return, but said that, while they could expect me to be attentive and polite, they should not assume that I would play along the way that "Mr Brown" did in the discussion materials. I told them that I expected to be able to make polite comments and ask polite questions that Mr Brown may not have done. I suggested that they run this scenario past their district leaders, zone leaders, etc., and make sure that they had permission to proceed, and then call me to make an appointment.

At the time (If I recall correctly) I was supporting my son on his mission in SoCal, and so was not going to mistreat these missionaries in any way. However, I thought that it was only fair that they should have the opportunity to consider the implications of their request, and think about my likely part in the "lessons".

I never heard from them again.

[Jesse Pinkman]

It's now just a bunch of youth going out on an extended EFY trip.

An extended EFY trip minus the fun. No dances, no levity.

[MG 2.0]

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My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one.

Regards,
MG

MG, I have wondered a few times if Marcus is too hard on you. You then come up with this comment which makes me think that she is not too hard.

Didn't Moclips list more than one video game that his son is kinda' addicted to? Video gaming among young men keeps them from doing all kinds of things they could be doing.

It's just a fact.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

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My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one.

Regards,
MG

You should plead to go on a senior mission but only if they put you in a position of welcoming tourists to either temple square or historic sites in the Midwest. Your sensitivity to deeply connect on a personal level to new people would be a tremendous missionary opportunity and a marvelous chance to showcase how the Mormon lifestyle has sculpted your character.

That's actually probably true. The fact is, you don't know me. You misinterpreted what I said to Moclips.

I'm not criticizing him as a person. He had his experience in the church. But when he mentions that his son spends a lot (too much?) time sitting around playing video games rather than doing other stuff, I think that impacts decisions in the here and now and possibly into the future.

That isn't rocket science.

Mountain out of a molehill again.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

In my (admittedly scant) experience, missionaries are simply not equipped by the church to handle thoughtful disagreement, or even serious, informed questions.

Several years ago the missionaries in my area came for dinner a couple of times - I think that my daughter invited them, but that's a detail. The senior companion asked me if they could come back some time to have the junior companion - newbie - teach me the lessons "because he needed to practice his presentation skills." I'd heard this story before, and recognised the intent that almost certainly lay behind it: see if you can bring Bro malkie back to church.

I replied that they were welcome to return, but said that, while they could expect me to be attentive and polite, they should not assume that I would play along the way that "Mr Brown" did in the discussion materials. I told them that I expected to be able to make polite comments and ask polite questions that Mr Brown may not have done. I suggested that they run this scenario past their district leaders, zone leaders, etc., and make sure that they had permission to proceed, and then call me to make an appointment.

At the time (If I recall correctly) I was supporting my son on his mission in SoCal, and so was not going to mistreat these missionaries in any way. However, I thought that it was only fair that they should have the opportunity to consider the implications of their request, and think about my likely part in the "lessons".

I never heard from them again.

Missionaries are sent out to gather in the House of Israel. Those who are ready to receive the gospel. Not everyone is. In fact, there are some that simply want to argue and bitch against one thing or another.

Regards,
MG

[malkie]

In my (admittedly scant) experience, missionaries are simply not equipped by the church to handle thoughtful disagreement, or even serious, informed questions.

Several years ago the missionaries in my area came for dinner a couple of times - I think that my daughter invited them, but that's a detail. The senior companion asked me if they could come back some time to have the junior companion - newbie - teach me the lessons "because he needed to practice his presentation skills." I'd heard this story before, and recognised the intent that almost certainly lay behind it: see if you can bring Bro malkie back to church.

I replied that they were welcome to return, but said that, while they could expect me to be attentive and polite, they should not assume that I would play along the way that "Mr Brown" did in the discussion materials. I told them that I expected to be able to make polite comments and ask polite questions that Mr Brown may not have done. I suggested that they run this scenario past their district leaders, zone leaders, etc., and make sure that they had permission to proceed, and then call me to make an appointment.

At the time (If I recall correctly) I was supporting my son on his mission in SoCal, and so was not going to mistreat these missionaries in any way. However, I thought that it was only fair that they should have the opportunity to consider the implications of their request, and think about my likely part in the "lessons".

I never heard from them again.

Missionaries are sent out to gather in the House of Israel. Those who are ready to receive the gospel. Not everyone is. In fact, there are some that simply want to argue and bitch against one thing or another.

Regards,
MG

Anyone particular in mind?

[Marcus]

MG, I have wondered a few times if Marcus is too hard on you. You then come up with this comment which makes me think that she is not too hard.

Didn't Moclips list more than one video game that his son is kinda' addicted to? Video gaming among young men keeps them from doing all kinds of things they could be doing.

It's just a fact.

Regards,
MG

Huck, here's a very sad example of how mentalgymnast misuses personal information in order to troll. Black Moclips said nothing like what mentalgymnast has meanly distorted and then had the rudeness to state was "just a fact."

Mentalgymnast gets some kind of bizarre satisfaction out of attempting to hurt people with his words, and he is here to troll and disparage, nothing more. It's really quite sad that a grown man has internet trolling as a hobby.

[huckelberry]

MG, I have wondered a few times if Marcus is too hard on you. You then come up with this comment which makes me think that she is not too hard.

Didn't Moclips list more than one video game that his son is kinda' addicted to? Video gaming among young men keeps them from doing all kinds of things they could be doing.

It's just a fact.

Regards,
MG

MG, when people badger you about a senior mission I am offended as I feel it belittles those who go. But MG you really ask for it when you make presumptive judgmental comments about someone's family. You do not know moclips's child or their degree of responsibility. You paint yourself in a bad light when you make judgmental insinuations based upon assumptions.

I think you can be a contributor to the conversation, but you slip into cheap attacks sometimes. Please take a step back sometimes and just skip these attacks.