Blake Ostlerism

[MG 2.0]

Who is this apologist?!!!

Regards,
MG

[drumdude]

MG,

I should have distinguished the comment was from a commenter on the blog. The comment isn’t from an apologist it’s from a Mormon member.

[MG 2.0]

MG,

I should have distinguished the comment was from a commenter on the blog. The comment isn’t from an apologist it’s from a Mormon member.

Link?

Regards,
MG

[drumdude]

http://disq.us/p/35ewo9q

[Everybody Wang Chung]

Blake Ostler fancies himself the Aristotle of the Wasatch Front, but his arguments are nothing more than messy jumble of metaphysics and fringe doctrine. Blake hopes that nobody will notice his arguments are all built on a flimsy foundation of treasure digging, fraud, sexual abuse and violence.

On the bright side, nobody has a better toupee than Blake. Blake's fake hair is amazing:

[MG 2.0]

http://disq.us/p/35ewo9q

Thank you! It's interesting to note the the comments following the one that you posted from have a different view of things. Quite positive. I think that different wards and stakes are going to have various activity rates and young people choosing to live one way or another.

Gross generalizations are rather dangerous, aren't they?

I know in our ward we have recently had a number of young people choose to go on missions and they look like sixth graders to me. And when they give their talks I'm blown away with their testimonies and insights. Some of the finest youth I've ever seen in the church have been in wards I've been in since our kids were younger and also now that we're 'empty nesters'.

I'm appreciative of those in the church that have taken the time and effort to be "thinkers" and more important than that, think outside of the box. That has helped me in my personal journey.

Black and white fundamentalists have a heck of a time 'getting it'. I've seen it. Over and over again.

Regards,
MG

[Everybody Wang Chung]

If I recall correctly, there was a thread not too long ago where Blake jumped on a Mormon related thread and had an epic meltdown. Blake became increasingly angry and finally called everyone cowards and told them to “kiss his white ass.”

This is not the behavior of a mentally balanced individual. I wonder if medication (Ambien, Xanax or pain medication) is partially to blame? I would like to think so because the alternative is that Blake is crazy.

[drumdude]

If I recall correctly, there was a thread not too long ago where Blake jumped on a Mormon related thread and had an epic meltdown. Blake became increasingly angry and finally called everyone cowards and told them to “kiss his white ass.”

This is not the behavior of a mentally balanced individual. I wonder if medication (Ambien, Xanax or pain medication) is partially to blame? I would like to think so because the alternative is that Blake is crazy.

If I devoted my life to rationalizing the religion Joseph Smith created, I’d probably lose my mind too.

[Limnor]

Now it's not uncommon for Mormons to shirk away from defending the Mormon conception of God. Because that conception of God is fundamentally different and incompatible with traditional Christianity. But Hansen was ill-prepared to deal with James White pressing him on it.

White got Jacob to admit he thinks the King Follet Discourse was just an incorrect opinion. That the temple ceremony is metaphorical. Elohim and Jehovah are just characters in a symbolic liturgical rite.

All of this fits into the larger trend of Mormons distancing themselves from the distinctive teachings of Mormonism, trying to shrink Mormonism down into just another generic Christian denomination.

This seems in line with the text of the book itself. “Taking the name of Christ” (Mosiah 5:7–9) creates an outward identity, but there always seems an undercurrent of a very different view. I’ve been toying with Alma 22-24 as a reflection of the Morley Farm in the Western Reserve in the 1828 timeframe, and the actions by the anti Nephi Lehies as reflecting a gradual assimilation.

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And now it almost seems to me like the church leadership has lost the will to maintain any kind of control over their own theology. You can't have a church that lasts very long if there is not a central core that is passed on from generation to generation.

It almost seems like some of these guys are grabbing hold of liberalism. And this is their own fault. The church sent their people out to get PhDs at Ivy League universities. They didn't want doing it at BYU anymore. They wanted they wanted to up how they looked. The problem is those guys came back with critical methodology and they've injected that into the very bloodstream of Mormonism and Mormonism cannot survive that.

So, might there be internal struggles going on? I don't know.

All I know is any Mormon that I talked to in the first 30 years of my dealing with Mormonism that would listen to this guy (Jacob Hanson) would go, "Who's that? That's not Mormonism. That's not what we believe." And that's true.

That made for a good opportunity to remind folks once again when Joseph Smith said, "We have imagined supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil so that you may see." When he said that, he separated himself and his followers forever from Christianity.
Forever.

And I was told yesterday, I was in Provo, I was talking to some fellow believers who do a lot of street witnessing to BYU students, stuff like that. They said there's this amazing desire from BYU Students to be accepted by evangelical Christians. They just don't understand why we won't. And I see that online all the time.

Um, there's no way to do that. There is no way to cross that chasm until you repudiate Joseph Smith. Repent of his blasphemies and worship the one true God who has revealed himself in Jesus Christ.

There's no other way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSVX2fytS-U