John Tvedtnes: Foul-mouthed Hatchet Man?

[_Daniel Peterson]

There has been a good deal of discussion lately [virtually all of it initiated and conducted by Scratch hisself] about SHIELDS, the "Skinny List", and other facets of the Mopologetic infrastructure.

LOL. "The Mopologetic infrastructure"?????

This raises the question: If Tvedtnes is intending to involve himself with SHIELDS, does that mean that he has begun to post on various messageboards and blogs using an alias?

I doubt it very much. I've never known him to show any interest in, or even to speak of, messageboards, etc.

Or, was the acquisition of Tvedtnes an attempt to restore some credibility to SHIELDS's very badly damaged reputation?

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Furthermore, is he drawing a paycheck for his services?

Almost certainly not. SHIELDS has no money.

Can we assume that this fact may have, in some way, led to his choses "career" path as an apologist?

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John Tvednes, a "hired gun" for SHIELDS

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is also a gossipmongerer with a nasty, foul-mouthed temper.

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In other words: par for the course, as far as apologetics---especially SHIELDS apologetics---are concerned.

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Is he as far up the "hierarchy" as capo regime Louis Midgley? I don't think so, but his recent appointment as "associate" would seem to suggest that he is climbing up the ladder.

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Another bizarre dispatch from Scratchworld.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

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1, 2, and 3
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and I see myself reflected in their tinted windows
and I smile
I feel so safe when they're around me
I really hope they stay a while

they got the secret numbers
they got the skeleton key
they got a tap on my telephone line
finally someone listens to me
and every night I hear 'um
as they crawl around inside of my walls
I guess I must've been suspicious
or else a neighbor tipped 'um off


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like just another so and so
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here come the black suburbans
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and I see myself reflected in their tinted windows
and I smile
I feel so safe when they're around me
I really hope they stay a while

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[_Mister Scratch]

I was reviewing some old materials and realized that I failed to respond to this very important post:

This raises the question: If Tvedtnes is intending to involve himself with SHIELDS, does that mean that he has begun to post on various messageboards and blogs using an alias?

I doubt it very much. I've never known him to show any interest in, or even to speak of, messageboards, etc.

But he *is* definitely involved in online Mopologetics. After all, he was the one responsible for disseminating the "Metcalfe is an evil apostate manipulator" rumor.

Or, was the acquisition of Tvedtnes an attempt to restore some credibility to SHIELDS's very badly damaged reputation?

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Well...? Was it?

Furthermore, is he drawing a paycheck for his services?

Almost certainly not. SHIELDS has no money.

Then how does it operate? Basically, it seems like a "high-pressure relief valve" for you and your l-skinny cronies.

John Tvednes, a "hired gun" for SHIELDS

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How much is he paid to function as an "associate"? For that matter, why was he chose to be an "associate" at all?

is also a gossipmongerer with a nasty, foul-mouthed temper.

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Aptly demonstrated by my above quoting of Brother Tvedtnes.

Is he as far up the "hierarchy" as capo regime Louis Midgley? I don't think so, but his recent appointment as "associate" would seem to suggest that he is climbing up the ladder.

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Another bizarre dispatch from Scratchworld.[/quote]

Good luck trying to spin this one, Dan.

[_Daniel Peterson]

I was reviewing some old materials

Get a life, Scartch!

But he *is* definitely involved in online Mopologetics. After all, he was the one responsible for disseminating the "Metcalfe is an evil apostate manipulator" rumor.

I lack both your creepy "dossiers" and your passion for this sort of stuff. I have essentially no idea what you're talking about.

Well...? Was it?

I'm aware neither of "SHIELDS's very badly damaged reputation" nor of "an attempt to restore some credibility" to it.

Ask the people who run SHIELDS.

Then how does it operate?

Ask the people who run it.

Basically, it seems like a "high-pressure relief valve" for you and your l-skinny cronies.

Most of them have no connection with SHIELDS whatever, and I have no idea what "high pressure" you think any of us need "relief" from.

You're simply bizarre, Scartch.

How much is he paid to function as an "associate"?

Not a penny, I would guess.

But you can ask the people who run SHIELDS, if you want.

For that matter, why was he chose to be an "associate" at all?

I have no idea why he was chose.

Why don't you ask the people who run SHIELDS?

Good luck trying to spin this one, Dan.

There's nothing to spin.

[_bcspace]

So, in summary: John Tvednes, a "hired gun" for SHIELDS, is also a gossipmongerer with a nasty, foul-mouthed temper. In other words: par for the course, as far as apologetics---especially SHIELDS apologetics---are concerned. Is he as far up the "hierarchy" as capo regime Louis Midgley? I don't think so, but his recent appointment as "associate" would seem to suggest that he is climbing up the ladder.

Oh come now. You've gone from writing funny little anecdotes to actually believing in them Fox "Spooky" Mulder style. You guys really ought to change your monikers to Cancer Man and The Lone Gunmen etc.

by the way, what ever happened to our dossiers?

My father was a contemporary of John Tvedtnes. They used to attend the same ward together.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Good luck trying to spin this one, Dan.

There's nothing to spin.

That may be why he wished you luck. It's extra hard to spin nothing.

[_MsJack]

I approve of Mormons who swear. So does the drama llama.

[_Mister Scratch]

But he *is* definitely involved in online Mopologetics. After all, he was the one responsible for disseminating the "Metcalfe is an evil apostate manipulator" rumor.

I lack both your creepy "dossiers" and your passion for this sort of stuff. I have essentially no idea what you're talking about.

According to Kevin Graham, J. Tvedtnes was responsible for circulating a vicious rumor that Brent Metcalfe has somehow "tricked" Steve Christensens's [sp?] widow into forking over key historical documents. It is precisely analogous to the disgusting rumors you have helped to circulate about Mike Quinn.

Well...? Was it?

I'm aware neither of "SHIELDS's very badly damaged reputation" nor of "an attempt to restore some credibility" to it.

Ask the people who run SHIELDS.

Then what do you make of the appointment of Tvedtnes to the status of "associate"?

Basically, it seems like a "high-pressure relief valve" for you and your l-skinny cronies.

Most of them have no connection with SHIELDS whatever, and I have no idea what "high pressure" you think any of us need "relief" from.

Well, then, I suppose it's mere coincidence that all of your most aggressive, sophomoric antics turn up on SHIELDS.

For that matter, why was he chosen to be an "associate" at all?

I have no idea why he was chosen.

Do you consider Tvedtnes to be an important figure within LDS apologetics?

[_The Nehor]

That may be why he wished you luck. It's extra hard to spin nothing.

You'd think that but the MMM book thread is 47 pages long and counting.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

That may be why he wished you luck. It's extra hard to spin nothing.

You'd think that but the MMM book thread is 47 pages long and counting.

I stand utterly corrected.