Jerkhood of the Year Nominations

[_Gordon]

So did Jeff K. name his sock puppet "Gordon" after President Hinckley, or was there another reason?

I'm always amused by posters accusing others of a sock puppet merely because they don't like what is being said. What's your sock puppet Darth?

[_Gordon]

Another agency that contradicts Gordon---and therefore has no idea what it is talking about---is the Utah Housing Coalition, which evidently sees the Ogden Lodge situation as a housing issue, since it links to the story on its website

Whether or not they were technically tenants, does not take away from the fact that they were not "evicted". No tort was committed when the motel closed it's doors. This has been my stance, and point, all along.

[_asbestosman]

3. Despite the plain statements of Doctrine and Covenants and three General Authorities, the LDS Church does not teach that those who fail to pay tithing will be burned at the Second Coming.....because Gordon says so.

The General Authorities or at least the LDS Church does indeed teach that those who fail to pay tithing will be burned at the Second Coming. However, I'm quite certain that the Doctrine and Covenants does not state this. I know, I know, you're probably thinking of D&C 64:23 (11 September 1831). However, the law of tithing as we have it today was not given until section 119 (8 July 1838). In fact, back when Missouri was big on the church's mind here in D&C 64 the big thing was the Law of Consecration (or was it the United Order--I forget).

[_Gordon]

The General Authorities or at least the LDS Church does indeed teach that those who fail to pay tithing will be burned at the Second Coming.

Like I mentioned to Darth, I shall await for the proof of this...

[_Kishkumen]

I guess Darth was correct concerning your ability to argue case law.

Are simple baseless implications your way of having discussions?

Dude, it is obvious that you don't understand how lawyers argue case law. Darth has pointed this out clearly enough, and from my experience talking with lawyers and seeing law professors set exams, I would say that he is absolutely correct.

[_Kishkumen]

They didn't come to Him for physical food, they came for spiritual food.

And yet he didn't neglect their physical needs. He also happened to be the one who enjoined his disciples to treat any needy person as though they were him.

[_Kishkumen]

This is based on the fact that they were staying at the Ogden Lodge...which means that they had to have been paying for their stay. Nobody has shown, nor have I seen the residents of the OL state, that they paid a reduced rate from the other similarly rated motels in the area.

What day did they pay rent?

How long a period did their rent cover?

Were they refunded the money for the time they did not use?

Was this sufficient money to get them in another motel through Christmas?

Really, however, malkie was right. The question here is what one expects of a Christian church in this situation. The question was never simply about the particulars of Brandi's needs. Indeed, I would say, echoing MsJack, that there is no scriptural basis for a poverty test to qualify the needy for help. Had the LDS Church simply been a business, and not a Church, there would be disapproval, but the level of outrage would be significantly less. The sense I am getting is that many people expect more from a church, and I agree. I can also, however, see how it is that you have been inured to the corporate character of the LDS Church, such that you might only demand their actions to be legal rather than compassionate.

[_asbestosman]

The General Authorities or at least the LDS Church does indeed teach that those who fail to pay tithing will be burned at the Second Coming.

Like I mentioned to Darth, I shall await for the proof of this...

Good grief.

April 2007 Sessions "Let Virtue Garnish Thy Thoughts Unceasingly" by Gordon B. Hinckley

The next item is the payment of tithing. Glorious is the promise of the Lord concerning those who pay their tithes. He says in modern revelation that they “shall not be burned” (see D&C 64:23).

April 1981 Sessions :Gospel Covenants" by Marion G. Romney

Many of the Lord’s commandments are in the form of covenants promising specific blessings—tithing, for example: “Behold, now it is called today until the coming of the Son of Man, and verily it is a day of sacrifice, and a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming.” (D&C 64:23.)

“And I say unto you, if my people observe not this law [of tithing], to keep it holy, and by this law sanctify the land of Zion unto me, … it shall not be a land of Zion unto you.” (D&C 119:6.)

These statements make it clear that by failing to honor the tithing covenant one forfeits great blessings. On the other hand, complying with it assures great blessings.

Gospel Principles "Chapter 32: Tithes and Offerings"

Latter-day revelation tells of another blessing for those who tithe: “Verily it is a day of sacrifice, and a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming” (D&C 64:23).

Don't tell me you're quibbling about whether everyone who fails to pay tithing will be burned at his coming (instead of just some who fail or maybe nobody at all) or whether it was stated as a blessing instead of a threat. The threat is implied even if it was stated differently.

[_Kishkumen]

Don't tell me you're quibbling about...

I really like asbestosman. I always have. And I see further evidence of his goodness here.

[_Jersey Girl]

Don't tell me you're quibbling about...

I really like asbestosman. I always have. And I see further evidence of his goodness here.

It occurs to me that we should have had other categories to choose from that were more positive in nature to bring focus on posters who are charitable, kind or display "goodness".

Not on this thread though. This thread is dedicated to Jerkhood.

So far it's working!