Should the Church apologise for Mountain Meadows Massacre?
Re: Should the Church apologise for Mountain Meadows Massacre?
So what about the apology that was documented as having happened in 2007? Why does this not suffice?
What more should the Church be doing, and why?
I understand that this is a terrible tragedy. I am abhorred that the Church was a part of it. But I thought that what President Erying said was very appropriate.
The memorial has been built and is being cared for. What were the families looking for? Some type of monetary compensation for the loss? I'm not above the Church possibly providing something of that nature, such as, possibly in a scholarship fund, or some such thing, but come on, people. It seems like a dead horse is being beaten here.
What more should the Church be doing, and why?
I understand that this is a terrible tragedy. I am abhorred that the Church was a part of it. But I thought that what President Erying said was very appropriate.
The memorial has been built and is being cared for. What were the families looking for? Some type of monetary compensation for the loss? I'm not above the Church possibly providing something of that nature, such as, possibly in a scholarship fund, or some such thing, but come on, people. It seems like a dead horse is being beaten here.
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Re: Should the Church apologise for Mountain Meadows Massacre?
liz3564 wrote:So what about the apology that was documented as having happened in 2007? Why does this not suffice?
What more should the Church be doing, and why?
I understand that this is a terrible tragedy. I am abhorred that the Church was a part of it. But I thought that what President Erying said was very appropriate.
The memorial has been built and is being cared for. What were the families looking for? Some type of monetary compensation for the loss? I'm not above the Church possibly providing something of that nature, such as, possibly in a scholarship fund, or some such thing, but come on, people. It seems like a dead horse is being beaten here.
I'll reiterate my view, which is nothing. There is really nothing more to do or say. No one alive now was either a victim or a perpetrator. In our collective history, there are a billion things to be apologized for and, in most cases, no meaningful utility in doing so.
"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. ... Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." - Joseph Smith, 1844
Re: Should the Church apologise for Mountain Meadows Massacre?
Baker wrote:liz3564 wrote:So what about the apology that was documented as having happened in 2007? Why does this not suffice?
What more should the Church be doing, and why?
I understand that this is a terrible tragedy. I am abhorred that the Church was a part of it. But I thought that what President Erying said was very appropriate.
The memorial has been built and is being cared for. What were the families looking for? Some type of monetary compensation for the loss? I'm not above the Church possibly providing something of that nature, such as, possibly in a scholarship fund, or some such thing, but come on, people. It seems like a dead horse is being beaten here.
The only thing that I can see that would add value is that there is more coverage of the issue so that TBMs are not taken aback by the events, as I was when I initially read about them.
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Re: Should the Church apologise for Mountain Meadows Massacre?
Maybe someone should set up a site where all organizations and individuals could click on an omnibus apology so that we could all feel better that all historical wrongs had been righted.
"I, ________, hereby apologize and express deep regret for any and all actions by my ancestors that were unfair to, or otherwise harmed, any other person's ancestors."
There are, of course, some historical wrongs that should be righted in our day, particularly those where the descendants of the perpetrators remain enriched by the wrong. A good example would be funds and property seized from Holocaust victims. Some wrongs are simply too impractical to atone for retroactively by proxy - like slavery and the slaughter of, and stealing from, the Amerindians. In those cases, we can only address the present condition of the descendants of the victims. In each of our respective histories, we will find that our ancestors were both perpetrators and victims of all kinds of wrongs.
"I, ________, hereby apologize and express deep regret for any and all actions by my ancestors that were unfair to, or otherwise harmed, any other person's ancestors."
There are, of course, some historical wrongs that should be righted in our day, particularly those where the descendants of the perpetrators remain enriched by the wrong. A good example would be funds and property seized from Holocaust victims. Some wrongs are simply too impractical to atone for retroactively by proxy - like slavery and the slaughter of, and stealing from, the Amerindians. In those cases, we can only address the present condition of the descendants of the victims. In each of our respective histories, we will find that our ancestors were both perpetrators and victims of all kinds of wrongs.
"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. ... Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." - Joseph Smith, 1844
Re: Should the Church apologise for Mountain Meadows Massacre?
I suppose I'm just curious about the OP. The claim is that there was never any type of apology issued from the Church, and, as was documented, in 2007, there clearly was. I'm trying to understand the point of the OP.
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Re: Should the Church apologise for Mountain Meadows Massacre?
Has the church apologized to the Paiutes for blaming everything on them?
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Chap wrote:None the less, here is the full text of what was solemnly stated by the Prime Minister of Australia, standing in the national parliament.
You don't understand the politics behind this. The apology was well received, with about 70% of Australians agreeing with it (maybe you should ask why not 100%). Furthermore, this entails a very long history from 1788 to 1967, when Aboriginals were first given the right to vote. This wasn't a one off event like MMM. Read some Australian history and you'll get a better gauge.
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Re: Should the Church apologise for Mountain Meadows Massacre?
Buffalo wrote:Has the church apologized to the Paiutes for blaming everything on them?
It has expressed "regret".
"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. ... Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." - Joseph Smith, 1844
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Buffalo wrote:Has the church apologized to the Paiutes for blaming everything on them?
Yes.
President Erying wrote:A separate expression of regret is owed to the Paiute people who have unjustly borne for too long the principal blame for what occurred during the massacre. Although the extent of their involvement is disputed, it is believed they would not have participated without the direction and stimulus provided by local Church leaders and members.
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Re: Should the Church apologise for Mountain Meadows Massacre?
liz3564 wrote:Buffalo wrote:Has the church apologized to the Paiutes for blaming everything on them?
Yes.President Erying wrote:A separate expression of regret is owed to the Paiute people who have unjustly borne for too long the principal blame for what occurred during the massacre. Although the extent of their involvement is disputed, it is believed they would not have participated without the direction and stimulus provided by local Church leaders and members.
That's good. I guess Pres. Eyring is a bigger man than DCP and Yahoo Bot.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.