More bad news for our scripture believing friends

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bcspace wrote:
Whom are you going to believe: bcspace or your lying eyes?


BY himself was pretty closed mouthed about it when asked to explain. But as we've seen from Adam Sr. Adam Jr., few if any, ever took into account all that he said.


Which one is Michael?
(Adam snr or Adam jnr)
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bcspace wrote:
Aha! 'Father' does not mean 'actual progenitor' and nor does 'Mother' either?


Only one of many possibilities. We don't have all the details, but we have enough to show that evolution swims with LDS doctrine. What happened to the preAdamites is another interesting question.


I'm sure evolutionary scientists would be shocked to hear it.
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bcspace wrote:
Aha! 'Father' does not mean 'actual progenitor' and nor does 'Mother' either?


Only one of many possibilities. We don't have all the details, but we have enough to show that evolution swims with LDS doctrine. What happened to the preAdamites is another interesting question.


Are we descended from our Heavenly Father, or is the significance of 'Father' also dubious in that case?
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bcspace wrote:[

It is/was as much doctrine as Adam-God, correct.


Adam Sr/Jr was completely unknown to Brigham Young.

It was taught in the temple that Adam was God, period.
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B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Are we descended from our Heavenly Father,


Yes.

or is the significance of 'Father' also dubious in that case?


I guess it depends on your polyandry hypothesis. I personally don't have one.
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bcspace wrote:
Whom are you going to believe: bcspace or your lying eyes?


BY himself was pretty closed mouthed about it when asked to explain. But as we've seen from Adam Sr. Adam Jr., few if any, ever took into account all that he said.


See: Begging the question

(Hint: bcspace has provided no evidence to support the "Sr./Jr." argument; an argument which is contrary to what the Millenial Star actually printed.)
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It was taught in the temple that Adam was God, period.


Which Adam?
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bcspace wrote:
It was taught in the temple that Adam was God, period.


Which Adam?


bcspace:

From the links provided on my blog to the BYU digital collections library, please demonstrate where the Millenial Star ever referred to Elohim as "Adam."
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bcspace wrote:
It was taught in the temple that Adam was God, period.


Which Adam?


There's only one.
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Note that rather than treating "Adam" as some generic title, the December 10, 1853 specifically distinguishes between the personage known as Eloheim and and the personage known as Adam:

As the great Eloheim is supreme and Almighty over all his children and kingdoms, so is Adam as great a ruler, or God, in his sphere, over his children, and the kingdom which they possess. The earth and all things upon it were created for Adam, and it was given to him of his father to have dominion over it. In that dominion he will be sustained throughout all eternity.
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