Runtu wrote: It's a little discouraging to me how this has played out in this thread. I've been told over and over that I'm the exception, that Mormons generally don't feel the same guilt I did. Now I find out that, statistically speaking, I'm not alone, and what do I get?
I'm being deceptive, guilt is good, I'm calling elders liars and masturbators, and so on. Finding out I am not alone in being burdened with guilt is important to me, and I'm trying to understand why we feel the guilt. I appreciate you talking about why instead of simply dismissing what I think and feel.
That's the mind set of many apologists. They disagree with you just on principle. Does the church emphasize guilt more then most other religions? Of course it does, and I am not aware of to many members at church who would disagree with this. I learn to expect this kind of behavior from apologists. It's like they went to a different church.
I remember the first room I went into after saying goodbye to my parents in the MTC. It was a little meeting that was exclusively a guilt trip about not confessing previous sins. Then they sent us straight to our first worthiness interview. Fun stuff. ONly myself and one other guy came out not having shed tears.
Themis wrote:That's the mind set of many apologists. They disagree with you just on principle. Does the church emphasize guilt more then most other religions? Of course it does, and I am not aware of to many members at church who would disagree with this. I learn to expect this kind of behavior from apologists. It's like they went to a different church.
I didn't say the Church doesn't teach guilt more than other religions. That's just plain getting the argument all wrong to satisfy your agenda of complaining about a group of people for being that group of people. Please don't complain about all apologists because of something I didn't say.
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stemelbow wrote:I answered that in about the first post in this thread.
To much is given much is required. That is perhaps the reason why people feel guilt. They feel obligated to try and do good continually. So of course they feel more guilt.
Beats me.
Is the heavy guilting and shaming an appropriate motivating tool, seeing how it is ineffective in changing behavior and only serves to make members feel bad about themselves?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:The one thing they SHOULD feel guilty for.
Yeah. So, we're off the hook for MMM, keeping non-member parents from temple weddings, getting the poor to pay tithing, sending missionaries into countries where they will get worms in their bodies, etc.?
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
Here's a scripture that will do the opposite of encouraging you when times are hard:
Mormon 9:14 And then cometh the judgment of the Holy One upon them; and then cometh the time that he that is filthy shall be filthy still; and he that is righteous shall be righteous still; he that is happy shall be happy still; and he that is unhappy shall be unhappy still.
ETA: and another favorite:
MOroni 10:22 And if ye have no hope ye must needs be in despair; and despair cometh because of iniquity.
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That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
stemelbow wrote: Fear and guilt are normal feelings that all people feel at some poin tin this world. they are important in LDS thought because they help us see our weaknesses, rely upon God, subsequently teaching us to learn to love others, God and the very good that will bless people eternally. Its not as you claim.
WHat did I claim that isn't correct?
Could you please cite me the study that shows people learn about their weaknesses and to rely on God and learn to love others through feeling guilt?
Also, the whole point of this thread was that LDS feel MORE guilt than all other groups. Why? Why do LDS need to feel more guilt? Are they that much worse of people?
Still waiting for the study that shows people benefit from guilt by becoming more loving and rely on god more. We already know that more guilt doesn't lead to better behavior.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
Themis wrote:That's the mind set of many apologists. They disagree with you just on principle. Does the church emphasize guilt more then most other religions? Of course it does, and I am not aware of to many members at church who would disagree with this. I learn to expect this kind of behavior from apologists. It's like they went to a different church.
I didn't say the Church doesn't teach guilt more than other religions. That's just plain getting the argument all wrong to satisfy your agenda of complaining about a group of people for being that group of people. Please don't complain about all apologists because of something I didn't say.
You need to learn to read better. I never said all apologists did I. Also the subject is very much about the church teaching/emphasizing guilt more then other religions and whether it is healthy.