Kevin Graham wrote: Can you imagine the agony Dan is going through right now as he reads these threads, knowing perfectly well that his email has been compromised by one of his eighteen recipients?
What I imagine will happen is that Dan will paint himself as the victim of a witch hunt and continue to portray himself as misunderstood by his enemies.
I am not sure it is all agony for Dan as, above all, he seems to embrace any form of attention.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Kevin Graham wrote: Can you imagine the agony Dan is going through right now as he reads these threads, knowing perfectly well that his email has been compromised by one of his eighteen recipients?
What I imagine will happen is that Dan will paint himself as the victim of a witch hunt and continue to portray himself as misunderstood by his enemies.
I am not sure it is all agony for Dan as, above all, he seems to embrace any form of attention.
He is already doing his usual victim thing, claiming we're going to be gloating in his humiliation for years to come. Why is he so worried about what a bunch of evil apostates think about him?
Besides, I don't think anyone here is doing that at all.
It just happens to be a shocking development and naturally, we're going to want to get to the bottom of it. If true, it vindicates our criticisms of his scholarship on a number of levels. Who wouldn't want to know if their criticisms have been validated, especially of someone who regularly mocks us in venues where we're not permitted to respond?
Tobin wrote:And if people are really interested in the Mormonism, they can speak to God about it. This has always been the Mormon position and has worked just fine so far.
But has not worked. It never worked for you or anyone else. You had to become an ex-Mormon atheist before you thought God showed up.
Kishkumen wrote: To what end? Is the Mormon Stories conference a real attention grabber? I mean, other than the apologists throwing a hissy fit over it, what is the big deal in your view?
Not trying to be hostile, I guess I just don't see the connection.
I hardly notice Mormon Stories outside of the podcast.
I was speaking more in regards to disruption within the conference. Just throwing the idea out there. I don't know, of course. Hopefully we can know the authenticity of the email soon. Thanks.
Sorry about the late response to this, but I was at the Mormon Stories conference yesterday, and no one mentioned it at all. As someone already posted, John Dehlin did link this thread on his Facebook page (that's how I found it) but that was after the conference was over.
Kevin Graham wrote: He is already doing his usual victim thing, claiming we're going to be gloating in his humiliation for years to come.
Hmmm... were the roles reversed, how long would Dan gloat?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Yahoo Bot wrote:FAIR will morph into something more professional and slick (I mean that in an aesthetic sense) to fill the evolutionary gap. This is a good development for FAIR, which will attract more rigorous writers but who are not real hardcore academics willing to burnish their resume. The new Claremont review will attract those of the Bushman, Quinn and Givens quality, although Quinn is over the hill.
But, again, I could be speaking out of my read end. I don't know. I am way out of the mainstream.
I agree that it will be interesting to see what happens with FAIR. There is already the connection there, with heavy involvement from Greg Smith and DCP. But given what has happened, I wonder if FAIR will reassess itself. If the leveler heads were to prevail, you would think that FAIR would move to distance itself from apologists and apologetics that have been turned loose from the MI. But some of the leadership, like Smith, Scott Gordon, and John Lynch have shown that they like the "dirty" style of Mopologetics that was pioneered by FARMS.
Perhaps the most decisive factor will be the funding. If the old funding for the MI gets channeled back to FAIR, I would expect that we would see Church leadership getting involved.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
One of Dan's threats to Bradford is to stop wooing PLC members to donate to the Maxwell Institute. I've attended PLC meetings and noted Dan's presence there. Whenever I saw him at those meetings, he was sitting at an empty table by himself. Granted I didn't watch him the entire time, but when I did, it seemed like he didn't care. He just wasn't engaged with potential donors like the other college deans and representatives. Dan may be an effective fundraiser, but I certainly couldn't tell from watching him.
As an aside, I really think this change is for the better. The Maxwell Institute was just unproductive polemics. A new direction would be very welcome.
Cylon wrote:Sorry about the late response to this, but I was at the Mormon Stories conference yesterday, and no one mentioned it at all. As someone already posted, John Dehlin did link this thread on his Facebook page (that's how I found it) but that was after the conference was over.
One of Dan's threats to Bradford is to stop wooing PLC members to donate to the Maxwell Institute. I've attended PLC meetings and noted Dan's presence there. Whenever I saw him at those meetings, he was sitting at an empty table by himself. Granted I didn't watch him the entire time, but when I did, it seemed like he didn't care. He just wasn't engaged with potential donors like the other college deans and representatives. Dan may be an effective fundraiser, but I certainly couldn't tell from watching him.
As an aside, I really think this change is for the better. The Maxwell Institute was just unproductive polemics. A new direction would be very welcome.
You mean a direction like having Alan Ashton of Word Perfect fame tell us how we can be sanctified. It's a rich man's world. For a million bucks and he can speak once at The Apocalrock pulpit too. What the heck.
It's a rich man's world. For a million bucks and he can speak once at The Apocalrock pulpit too. What the heck.