Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

[_Tchild]

Sure, that is why a "test of faith" cannot violate my or another's free agency.

When the Lord decrees it, it can. Remember, He is the ultimate source of judgement...not you, for yourself.

And who determines what the Lord has decreed for me or another?

By your criteria, if a majority of muslims believe in stoning a person (an 11 year old mentally challenged Christian girl for example) for (allegedly) burning the pages of a Koran, then it is from God. Correct?

If you say no, then your logic and argument fail.

[_Gordon]

The civilized secular world rejects it...and for good reason. If you were in a muslim country about to be stoned for "blasphemy" you would reject it too.

I have no argument with you that the secular world rejects it...most reject G-d's truth completely.

If I grew up in a muslim country, I'm sure I would think differently. However, as I am now, I would not reject it.

It cannot be known and you have not shown how it can be known objectively.

As I stated already, I'm not here to show you (never claimed to be able to, either). I have told you where to go for that.

That is why Mormonism will be seen to be a religious anachronism of a past place and time in the years to come. Unless Mormon beliefs change, it will not survive an age of more enlightened and reasoned humans.

See my sig.

[_Gordon]

And "I killed him cause god told me to" is then a sufficient defense at my homicide trial?

The fate of your soul isn't dependent upon secular laws.

[Guest]

If I grew up in a muslim country, I'm sure I would think differently. However, as I am now, I would not reject it.

So, you are on board with a Christian girl being stoned for allegedly burning pages of a koran? It is God's will you know. All you have to do is seek the HG to know that it is God's will. I can only show the way Gordon, you have to find the answer for yourself.

It cannot be known and you have not shown how it can be known objectively.

As I stated already, I'm not here to show you (never claimed to be able to, either). I have told you where to go for that.

I have, and the Holy Ghost finds such an act repugnant.

Gee, now we are in a quandary. God says yes to you and No to me concerning murdering a man for any reason.

Now what do we do? Which way to the truth? Oh the confusion.

[_Gordon]

And who determines what the Lord has decreed for me or another?

By your criteria, if a majority of muslims believe in stoning a person (an 11 year old mentally challenged Christian girl for example) for (allegedly) burning the pages of a Koran, then it is from God. Correct?

If you say no, then your logic and argument fail.

The Spirit of G-d.

By that, I can know if the actions of another individual are from the Lord or not, because that spirit comes from Him.

It's like being able to read another's mind.

[_Tchild]

And who determines what the Lord has decreed for me or another?

By your criteria, if a majority of muslims believe in stoning a person (an 11 year old mentally challenged Christian girl for example) for (allegedly) burning the pages of a Koran, then it is from God. Correct?

If you say no, then your logic and argument fail.

The Spirit of G-d.

By that, I can know if the actions of another individual are from the Lord or not, because that spirit comes from Him.

It's like being able to read another's mind.

I see, but if the Spirit of God says the opposite to me or to another than it does for you, then what?

Since we are murdering others, or at the minimum, violating another's free agency based on this "spirit of God" that differs from me to you, then who Trump's whom as to who is correct?

I guess you can't see past this simple impasse eh?

[_Tchild]

Gordon -

Are there two Gods? Are there two Holy Ghosts? How can you get an anwer from God or the HG, while I get the opposite from God or the Holy Ghost?

Are there tens of thousands of God's and tens of thousands of different Holy Ghosts that we all are getting different answers?

[_Gordon]

So, you are on board with a Christian girl being stoned for allegedly burning pages of a koran? It is God's will you know. All you have to do is seek the HG to know that it is God's will. I can only show the way Gordon, you have to find the answer for yourself.

I think we have a misunderstanding here. I would not reject reject my beliefs, which you do, and said the secular world does too. I can reject muslims stoning a Christian girl in the name of god, because the Spirit of G-d can lead me to the truth.

If there is a god, you seem to suggest that He leaves us without any way of knowing the truth for sure...we're just on our own, and hopefully we are lucky enough to get it right. Now that, I reject.

I have, and the Holy Ghost finds such an act repugnant.

Gee, now we are in a quandary. God says yes to you and No to me concerning murdering a man for any reason.

Now what do we do? Which way to the truth? Oh the confusion.

There can be only one...

[_Stormy Waters]

By that, I can know if the actions of another individual are from the Lord or not, because that spirit comes from Him.

It's like being able to read another's mind.

That ability sure would have come in handy in the cases of John Bennett, Mark Hoffman, or Paul Dunn.

[_Gordon]

I see, but if the Spirit of God says the opposite to me or to another than it does for you, then what?

Since we are murdering others, or at the minimum, violating another's free agency based on this "spirit of God" that differs from me to you, then who Trump's whom as to who is correct?

I guess you can't see past this simple impasse eh?

I tend to not believe that you have had any such confirmation from the HG, since you have admitted to aligning yourself with the secular world views on the matter, and have stated your support for reasoned and enlightened minds over the HG.

It appears as if you are simply trying to create an impasse which doesn't actually exist.