Evolution Again!

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_Bazooka
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Re: Evolution Again!

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Ceeboo wrote:Hola Zook! :smile:

Bazooka wrote:Ceeboo, what place could reincarnation have within evolution?


????????

Why are you asking me this again?

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Clues:
Think about my sense of humour.
Think about the question.
Think about me asking it a second time.
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Re: Evolution Again!

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Bazooka wrote:
Clues:
Think about my sense of humour.
Think about the question.
Think about me asking it a second time.


???????????????????????????????

Uncle!!!!!! :lol:

I have no idea what this means!

Peace,
Ceeboo
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Re: Evolution Again!

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It was a reincarnated question.

Sorry.

If I had my time again I wouldn't attempt the joke...wait...oh :redface:
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Re: Evolution Again!

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Ceeboo, on ages assigned to specimens wrote:I don't have a clue (I simply don't "know" and I would propose that nobody else "knows" either, no matter how many times it is suggested that they do "know")
Ren's storytelling has inspired me -- may I have go?

Captain Nemo, in the course of planning a new underwater city, summoned his First Mate, Sebu. "Ah, Sebu, there you are. If you would be so kind as to look off the larboard beam, you will observe some empty beef casks that have been anchored in a roughly circular pattern. These casks mark the proposed boundaries of my new undersea project. However, I need a rough idea of the ocean depth within the area defined by the markers. Be so good as to have a report ready for me this evening."

Now, Sebu's many responsibilities left him no time to personally conduct the requested survey, so he enlisted the aid of three clever Midshipmen. However, each Midshipman had his own idea about making the required measurement, so each went about the task individually. After completing their measurements, the budding oceanographers reported to Sebu in turn.

The first to report was Midshipman Aitken: "Sir, I took the small cutter into the area defined by the casks, and used a weighted line which had knots tied at regular intervals. By counting the number of submerged knots I could determine the depth at any given spot. I took several measurements at various spots within the defined area. The measurements fall in the 20 to 23 fathom range."

"Ah," thought Sebu to himself, "well and good. But what if there exists a strong but undetectable undercurrent -- could it not cause the line to drift somewhat horizontally, thereby inflating the measurement?"

Next, Midshipman Milankovitch reported: "Hullo, Sir. I used rocks tied with a slipknot to an inflated sheep bladder, which I sank at diverse points within the proscribed area. Using a very long bit of string I could undo the slipknot, dontyousee, Sir? After undoing the slipknot, Sir, I used my watch to count out how long it took the bladder to break surface. Using the elapsed time as a variable, I used a buoyancy equation to calculate the depth. Sir, I took several measurements, and got between 21 to 24 fathoms. Sir."

"Aha," Sebu mused, "his results are similar to those of Aitken, but perhaps he has not accounted for possible changes in buoyancy caused by, say, undetected thermal layers? Hmm."

The last Midshipman to report, a jaunty young gentleman with every bit of the swagger expected of a son of the Earl of Isochron, sauntered up to Sebu. "Sir: I took it on myself to devise a mechanical device whereby sound waves may be transmitted through the water and bounced off distant objects. By measuring the returning waves I can plot not only the depth of an area, but can also make some rather clever inferences about the shape of the seabed. The floor here is relatively smooth with some small ridges of no consequence. My soundings measured between 21.3 to 24.5 fathoms, with an average depth of 22.7 fathoms."

"Crikey," thought Sebu, "this cove is too confident by half. His results are consistent with those of the other fellows, but I wonder whether he has considered whether something like variable salinity levels may alter his results?"

That evening Sebu reported to Captian Nemo. "So, there you are, Sebu. What news? Have your measurements been successful?"

"Sir! As to the depth -- well, Sir, it's like this: I don't know. And neither does anyone else."

:smile:
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Re: Evolution Again!

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Bret Ripley wrote:
Ceeboo, on ages assigned to specimens wrote:I don't have a clue (I simply don't "know" and I would propose that nobody else "knows" either, no matter how many times it is suggested that they do "know")
Ren's storytelling has inspired me -- may I have go?

Captain Nemo, in the course of planning a new underwater city, summoned his First Mate, Sebu. "Ah, Sebu, there you are. If you would be so kind as to look off the larboard beam, you will observe some empty beef casks that have been anchored in a roughly circular pattern. These casks mark the proposed boundaries of my new undersea project. However, I need a rough idea of the ocean depth within the area defined by the markers. Be so good as to have a report ready for me this evening."

Now, Sebu's many responsibilities left him no time to personally conduct the requested survey, so he enlisted the aid of three clever Midshipmen. However, each Midshipman had his own idea about making the required measurement, so each went about the task individually. After completing their measurements, the budding oceanographers reported to Sebu in turn.

The first to report was Midshipman Aitken: "Sir, I took the small cutter into the area defined by the casks, and used a weighted line which had knots tied at regular intervals. By counting the number of submerged knots I could determine the depth at any given spot. I took several measurements at various spots within the defined area. The measurements fall in the 20 to 23 fathom range."

"Ah," thought Sebu to himself, "well and good. But what if there exists a strong but undetectable undercurrent -- could it not cause the line to drift somewhat horizontally, thereby inflating the measurement?"

Next, Midshipman Milankovitch reported: "Hullo, Sir. I used rocks tied with a slipknot to an inflated sheep bladder, which I sank at diverse points within the proscribed area. Using a very long bit of string I could undo the slipknot, dontyousee, Sir? After undoing the slipknot, Sir, I used my watch to count out how long it took the bladder to break surface. Using the elapsed time as a variable, I used a buoyancy equation to calculate the depth. Sir, I took several measurements, and got between 21 to 24 fathoms. Sir."

"Aha," Sebu mused, "his results are similar to those of Aitken, but perhaps he has not accounted for possible changes in buoyancy caused by, say, undetected thermal layers? Hmm."

The last Midshipman to report, a jaunty young gentleman with every bit of the swagger expected of a son of the Earl of Isochron, sauntered up to Sebu. "Sir: I took it on myself to devise a mechanical device whereby sound waves may be transmitted through the water and bounced off distant objects. By measuring the returning waves I can plot not only the depth of an area, but can also make some rather clever inferences about the shape of the seabed. The floor here is relatively smooth with some small ridges of no consequence. My soundings measured between 21.3 to 24.5 fathoms, with an average depth of 22.7 fathoms."

"Crikey," thought Sebu, "this cove is too confident by half. His results are consistent with those of the other fellows, but I wonder whether he has considered whether something like variable salinity levels may alter his results?"

That evening Sebu reported to Captian Nemo. "So, there you are, Sebu. What news? Have your measurements been successful?"

"Sir! As to the depth -- well, Sir, it's like this: I don't know. And neither does anyone else."

:smile:

Great story. Entertaining, suspenseful, filled with bits of useful nautical information, and exactly on point.

Let's see. We have directly relevant evidence from:

- Paleontology;
- Physiology;
- Biology;
- Biochemistry;
- Molecular Genetics;
- Cellular Biology;
- Geology;

all of which has been used to build a logical, defensible and internally consistent theory of evolution.

The fact that data from all of these various disciplines fit so nicely into a theory of evolution clearly indicates that something must be horribly wrong.

Call the Captain.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."

DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
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Re: Evolution Again!

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Good story but missing a huge piece.

In the story he ignored the data for no apparent reason. It'd be a good comparison if he had an extremely strong ulterior motive to disregard the data (the most important thing to him, his religion, as he thought, even though he wouldn't actually need to give up his religion to believe in evolution).

But close enough for all practical purposes. : )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featu ... FYTc55nGEI

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Re: Evolution Again!

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Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you 3 (Bret, W, Harold) making fun of Ceeboo!?!?!?!?!?! :mad:

Taking my racoon and going home!



Peace,
Ceeboo
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Re: Evolution Again!

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Ceeboo wrote:Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you 3 (Bret, W, Harold) making fun of Ceeboo!?!?!?!?!?! :mad:
<Snip>
Peace,
Ceeboo

Nope. Just a' tellin' sea stories.
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Re: Evolution Again!

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Harold Lee wrote:Good story but missing a huge piece.

In the story he ignored the data for no apparent reason. It'd be a good comparison if he had an extremely strong ulterior motive to disregard the data
That will be more fully developed in the film adaptation.
But close enough for all practical purposes. : )
Oh, good. 'Cause I was going for 'close enough'. :)
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Re: Evolution Again!

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Ceeboo wrote:Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you 3 (Bret, W, Harold) making fun of Ceeboo!?!?!?!?!?! :mad:

Taking my racoon and going home!



Peace,
Ceeboo


Sebu (with accent mark) is a French word (pronounced "S' ay bwah") for "wise and powerful king".

Please hand the raccoon over, you've losted raccoon privileges.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featu ... FYTc55nGEI

"I prefer a man who can swear a stream as long as my arm but deals justly with his brethren to the long, smooth-faced hypocrite." -Joseph Smith
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