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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:50 pm
Chap wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:38 pm

A way of life that gives up the chances this life offers for some kind of human fulfilment, however imperfect, and banks everything on a life after death would be very unwise.
What are you referring to here?

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I can see why some would not want to bank everything on a possible life after death from the comments shared here.

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MG
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:50 pm
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Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:32 pm

Yes, such as marrying who you love, working at something you love, associating with people who don't bake gender and race bias into their religion, raising your children outside of a cult, donating to legitimate charities and not to religions that break laws and hoard money, etc. Those types of things.
Drinking coffee and allowing your wife and daughters to show their shoulders…oh wait, that’s allowed in Mormonism now.
Drinking coffee is? I saw the porn shoulder change in revelation but missed that one.
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Marcus wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:03 am
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:50 pm
Drinking coffee and allowing your wife and daughters to show their shoulders…oh wait, that’s allowed in Mormonism now.
Drinking coffee is? I saw the porn shoulder change in revelation but missed that one.
If a coffee revelation came would that blow you away...more?

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MG wrote: I did mention David H. Bailey. Ever read his stuff? I did, years ago. It was cool to see that an active Latter-Day Saint person with a scientifically trained mind had been able to dovetail Mormonism with science and evolution in particular
There is no dovetailing evolution and Mormonism.

The quote you provided from David suggests that he must consider the Church leaders ill-informed on topics beyond faith and repentance, and that he simply accepts as base reality the fact that God somewhere way in the past, threw a bunch of stuff together that, like baking a cake, produced golems for Mormon spirits (parasites) to house. It doesn't take a brilliant scientist to come up with this.

Mormonism does not shed light on evolution, and evolution does not shed light on Mormonism. Evolution (quasi-evolution) is accepted at the expense of deep doctrine in order to protect the legitimacy of core doctrines like faith and repentance and baptism.

The only options are 1) reject evolution (which for a scientist would likely mean embracing intelligent design) 2) reject higher Mormon doctrines as speculation by leaders that we can ignore 3) reject Mormonism and accept reality.
We're here with a purpose beyond what we make whole cloth.
which, if true, makes evolution a whole lot of useless baggage we must just accept as base reality. Kind of like driving through every state in the nation in order to get to the 7-11 down the street for a Coke.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Ego,

Did you ever consider becoming a "lumper"? Would that help? If all these humans intermingled and produced offspring, why not embrace all as the same species? Taxonomy is very subjective, I don't think you need to take the wide variety of human species at face value, and the ability to inter-breed provides a good defense for considering them all as the image of God.

What are the drawbacks here?
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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