Senior free labour provider dies whilst mowing a church lawn

[MG 2.0]

Whatever you might see as been prevalent, from your perspective, in the past doesn't excuse the Dean and Doctor or Reverend stuff that goes on here

You're not putting 2 and 2 together, but never mind.

Mods, please move all my posts along with MGs derailing this thread elsewhere. This is my last post on this topic here.

Let's get back to the fact the Church allowed unacceptable risks be taken by senior citizens who are fodder for their immoral case.

And to the fact that you don't know this for a fact. Accidents happen. Unfortunate as they are.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

I would have to agree with Hound that there does seem to be a certain degree of 'privilege' among the so-called professors on the board. An overall, "We know things that others don't" mentality. My gosh, listening to "Dr. Scratch" as the resident authority on all things DCP? And others referring to each other as "Doctor"? What??!!

Sheesh.

Simply because of where they live in and at their Ivory Tower address. Can they recognize that? I doubt it. It has become a part of their self worth and reason for being. To sit just a wee little bit above the common people in their rarified air of superiority. Would they admit it? Of course not. Pride enters in.

And then you have some folks who come across and act as if they are professors. That's where it gets even sillier.

Regards,
MG

'There does seem to be a certain degree of 'privilege' among the so-called valiant spirits in the pre-existence. An overall, "We were pre-ordained" mentality. My gosh, listening to DCP as the resident authority on...well, according to DCP himself, all things? And referring to each other as "president", "brother"? What??!!

Sheesh.

Simply because they where 'born in the covenant'. Can they recognize that? I doubt it. It has become a part of their self worth and reason for being. To sit just a wee little bit above the less valiant, those here with dark skin or other "handicaps," in their rarified air of superiority. Would they admit it? Of course not. Pride enters in.

And then you have some folks who come across and act as if they talk to God or have their 'calling and election' made sure. That's where it gets even sillier.

There is a divide, isn't there?

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Whatever you might see as been prevalent, from your perspective, in the past doesn't excuse the Dean and Doctor or Reverend stuff that goes on here

You're not putting 2 and 2 together, but never mind.

He's still not, but then, his goal is to disrupt.

Mods, please move all my posts along with MGs derailing this thread elsewhere. This is my last post on this topic here.

Let's get back to the fact the Church allowed unacceptable risks be taken by senior citizens who are fodder for their immoral case.

Let's do.

[MG 2.0]

You're not putting 2 and 2 together, but never mind.

He's still not, but then, his goal is to disrupt.

Mods, please move all my posts along with MGs derailing this thread elsewhere. This is my last post on this topic here.

Let's get back to the fact the Church allowed unacceptable risks be taken by senior citizens who are fodder for their immoral case.

Let's do.

Pot calling kettle. Look in the mirror. Mods, look very carefully at what Marcus is doing. Wang also. Oh, and IHQ. They are tag teaming trying to squelch free speech on this board. They don't like being challenged.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

As a reminder, this is what the thread is about…

It was an accident. Sad but true.

Regards,
MG

The definition of an accident is a happening that was unforeseen and unexpected. For it to have been an accident, the rolling of the ride on mower on a slope must be as a result of an unforeseen risk. Which it wasn’t. The risk of a ride on mower rolling over on a slope is well known. It’s detailed in the operating instructions of ride on lawnmowers. It’s why some people operating them on sloped ground have roll bars fitted. So whatever it was, by definition it wasn’t an accident.

The questions to be answered by the Church are:

1. Was the ride on mower of a type that is suitable for mowing slopes? (Not all ride on mowers are).
2. Was Elder Blackburn properly trained on the safe use of the equipment, especially on slopes?
3. Was Elder Blackburn operating the equipment within the safe use parameters?

The answer to at least one of those will be No, because ride on mowers don’t spontaneously overturn.

4. Was the ride on mower fitted with roll bars and a seat belt?

I wonder if service missionaries on Church sites are covered by OSHA

OSHA is part of the United States Department of Labor. The administrator for OSHA is the Assistant Secretary of Labor for Occupational Safety and Health. OSHA's administrator answers to the Secretary of Labor, who is a member of the cabinet of the President of the United States.

If so the Church should have reported the fatality within 8 hours…did they?

All employers are required to notify OSHA when an employee is killed on the job or suffers a work-related hospitalization, amputation, or loss of an eye.

A fatality must be reported within 8 hours.

I note that OSHA does encourage whistle blowing…

It does seem that volunteers are NOT covered by OSHA except under the following circumstances…

One final comment about volunteers and temporary workers not covered by OSHA is that if a workforce consists of both paid employees and volunteers, the workplace must comply with OSHA standards. Therefore, if a volunteer suffers an injury in a workplace accident that could have happened to a paid employee, the employer could still be cited and fined by OSHA.

[Kishkumen]

Passing the buck. Whatever you might see as having been prevalent, from your perspective, in the past doesn't excuse the Dean and Doctor or Reverend stuff that goes on here. Elitist, to say the very least.

Regards,
MG

Excuse?



Come on, MG! You are in on the joke, now, surely.

That's a good one. MG.

You almost had me there.

[malkie]

Passing the buck. Whatever you might see as having been prevalent, from your perspective, in the past doesn't excuse the Dean and Doctor or Reverend stuff that goes on here. Elitist, to say the very least.

Regards,
MG

Excuse?
https://media.tenor.com/21AIM1vWcdIAAAP1/kk.mp4

Come on, MG! You are in on the joke, now, surely.

That's a good one. MG.

You almost had me there.

I couldn't see the gif inline, so I removed the [img] tags so that at least the link works.

I'm not sure that MG is in on the joke - or, as in some cases, non-joke. Someone(s) objected, way back, when Shades added "Dr" to his username here. I'm almost 100% sure, however, that Shades earned a PhD - in English, I believe.

If I'm not mistaken, DCP disparages those without advanced degrees - at least for the discussion of some topics - while also failing to recognize when someone he doesn't know in real life claims, legitimately, to have such a degree. Perhaps MG follows this aspect of DCP's behaviour?

[Marcus]

It was an accident. Sad but true.

Regards,
MG

The definition of an accident is a happening that was unforeseen and unexpected. For it to have been an accident, the rolling of the ride on mower on a slope must be as a result of an unforeseen risk. Which it wasn’t. The risk of a ride on mower rolling over on a slope is well known. It’s detailed in the operating instructions of ride on lawnmowers. It’s why some people operating them on sloped ground have roll bars fitted. So whatever it was, by definition it wasn’t an accident.

The questions to be answered by the Church are:

1. Was the ride on mower of a type that is suitable for mowing slopes? (Not all ride on mowers are).
2. Was Elder Blackburn properly trained on the safe use of the equipment, especially on slopes?
3. Was Elder Blackburn operating the equipment within the safe use parameters?

The answer to at least one of those will be No, because ride on mowers don’t spontaneously overturn.

4. Was the ride on mower fitted with roll bars and a seat belt?

I wonder if service missionaries on Church sites are covered by OSHA

OSHA is part of the United States Department of Labor. The administrator for OSHA is the Assistant Secretary of Labor for Occupational Safety and Health. OSHA's administrator answers to the Secretary of Labor, who is a member of the cabinet of the President of the United States.

If so the Church should have reported the fatality within 8 hours…did they?

All employers are required to notify OSHA when an employee is killed on the job or suffers a work-related hospitalization, amputation, or loss of an eye.

A fatality must be reported within 8 hours.

I note that OSHA does encourage whistle blowing…

It does seem that volunteers are NOT covered by OSHA except under the following circumstances…

One final comment about volunteers and temporary workers not covered by OSHA is that if a workforce consists of both paid employees and volunteers, the workplace must comply with OSHA standards. Therefore, if a volunteer suffers an injury in a workplace accident that could have happened to a paid employee, the employer could still be cited and fined by OSHA.

Something tells me Kirton and McKonkie lawyers work very hard to keep OSHA away from the LDS church. The LDS church had one obvious goal: make money and keep it, by any means necessary. Honesty, integrity, and ethics are irrelevant.

[MG 2.0]

Passing the buck. Whatever you might see as having been prevalent, from your perspective, in the past doesn't excuse the Dean and Doctor or Reverend stuff that goes on here. Elitist, to say the very least.

Regards,
MG

Excuse?



Come on, MG! You are in on the joke, now, surely.

That's a good one. MG.

You almost had me there.

The image won't open for me. So I guess I'm still not in on the joke. I think hell will freeze over before I am addressed as Dean, Doctor, Reverend. Question: does a person have to be from the ivory tower of academia in order to receive these accolades? Truth alert: I do not want to be addressed by any of these qualifiers. I am not worthy and admit it.

On the other hand, when I am consistently called a "troll" or a "fibber" by a couple of folks who I think may be doing it for sadistic reasons and get some kind of pleasure out of doing so, I could do without that. But it is what it is. There are some folks that seem to get their endorphins flowing when walking all over someone with the intent to inflict pain rather than engaging in civil conversation. They let past grudges rule their heart and mind.

This is off topic. I don't want the thread to go off on a tangent...but I felt this needed to be said in conjunction with the other side of the coin where some folks seem to get 'special treatment'.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Look at this, the LDS church has another 'hotline':

When nonemployees—such as volunteers, members, customers, or visitors—visit or use Church facilities or services and are involved in an incident or injury, the manager or supervisor of the local operating unit or facility should follow these procedures.

When an incident or injury occurs, promptly summon emergency medical care or provide first aid, whichever is appropriate. Provide first aid only within your level of skill and training. Do not direct additional medical treatment for nonemployees.

In the event of a fatality, a serious injury, or potential legal action, immediately contact the Risk Management Division at 1-801-240-4049 or 1-866-LDS-RISK

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... s?lang=eng

What are the odds the church lawyers handle calls to this hotline the way they do for the child abuse hotline?