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[Bought Yahoo]

Like cartoons? So do I.

I like traditional animation. None of this Toon Boom, mass produced crap.

Nobody hand produced animation any more.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

- Doc

Like cartoons? So do I. Me and my jammies.

That’s not a cartoon you noob. That’s high art from the Thomas Kinkade Studios. He carries a Disney collection, though. Might be in line with your esthetic.

- Doc

[Bought Yahoo]

Like cartoons? So do I. Me and my jammies.

That’s not a cartoon you noob. That’s high art from the Thomas Kinkade Studios. He carries a Disney collection, though. Might be in line with your esthetic.

- Doc

You mean aesthetic?

High art? Wow. I need to jettison my love for Guernica.

Still. I like getting my jammies on and watching the Flintstones. Seems like the same guy drew your high art.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

That’s not a cartoon you noob. That’s high art from the Thomas Kinkade Studios. He carries a Disney collection, though. Might be in line with your esthetic.

- Doc

You mean aesthetic?

No. ??

The Timpanogos people were the primary inhabitants of the Great Basin of Utah before the Mormon colonizers arrived. It is estimated they were about 70,000 strong in numbers.

The Mormon settlers exterminated them, stole their land, enslaved their women and children, and combined with the U.S. government have forced the remaining 1,000 or so Timpanogos descendants to live on the Uintah Valley Reservation with several other western tribes that were shoehorned together, even though they are not the same tribe and don’t share a langauage or a culture. The Timpanogos remain unrecognized by the federal government as a tribe.

The Timpanogos people are the only people the Mormon Church has officially ever waged war against (the Black Hawk War). Mormons make a big deal all through Utah history of what a sacrifice the Church was making by carrying out the genocide. They complained loudly about how much it cost them, and how expensive it was, that they managed to get the US government to reimburse them $1.5 million dollars in 1873 (equivalent to about $30 million today).

It was illegal for native Americans to practice their religion or ceremonies until 1978. Less than 50 years ago. Children abducted into the Indian Placement Program had to cut themselves off from their culture, and that meant cutting themselves off from their families.

As it always has, the Mormon church accepts nothing less than 100% assimilation.

Beyond the actual genocide (which was 100% justified and ordained by God - see 2 Nephi 1), which is their ancestors’ fault for not believing in Jesus, they teach native people that they can help their dead ancestors, both the ones who lived tens of thousands of years ago as well as the ones that were murdered by Mormon colonizers, to be forgiven, and that they can become “white and delight some” again, and return to live forever with that god who cursed them and destroyed them, and that this is the best thing they could ever possibly hope for, because he loves them SO VERY MUCH, and they can become exactly like him. What’s not to like, from the native perspective?

Even if you consider all of the horrible anti-black teaching and practices, they’re eclipsed by just how horrifically racist and harmful the “Lamanite” myth is. Mormonism doesn’t have a problem with white supremacy; Mormonism IS white supremacy. It should be abolished completely as a hateful, harmful ideology. - anon


- Doc

[Moksha]

High art? Wow. I need to jettison my love for Guernica.

I like the Guernica too.

Faith Promoting Anecdote - On another forum that I post on, a new bishop noted that he needed some new artwork for his office. I suggested a reproduction of The Scream by Edvard Munch. That would help the congregants in opening up to the bishop with their authentic feeling, right?

[Sledge]

No. ??

The Timpanogos people were the primary inhabitants of the Great Basin of Utah before the Mormon colonizers arrived. It is estimated they were about 70,000 strong in numbers.

The Mormon settlers exterminated them, stole their land, enslaved their women and children, and combined with the U.S. government have forced the remaining 1,000 or so Timpanogos descendants to live on the Uintah Valley Reservation with several other western tribes that were shoehorned together, even though they are not the same tribe and don’t share a langauage or a culture. The Timpanogos remain unrecognized by the federal government as a tribe.

The Timpanogos people are the only people the Mormon Church has officially ever waged war against (the Black Hawk War). Mormons make a big deal all through Utah history of what a sacrifice the Church was making by carrying out the genocide. They complained loudly about how much it cost them, and how expensive it was, that they managed to get the US government to reimburse them $1.5 million dollars in 1873 (equivalent to about $30 million today).

It was illegal for native Americans to practice their religion or ceremonies until 1978. Less than 50 years ago. Children abducted into the Indian Placement Program had to cut themselves off from their culture, and that meant cutting themselves off from their families.

As it always has, the Mormon church accepts nothing less than 100% assimilation.

Beyond the actual genocide (which was 100% justified and ordained by God - see 2 Nephi 1), which is their ancestors’ fault for not believing in Jesus, they teach native people that they can help their dead ancestors, both the ones who lived tens of thousands of years ago as well as the ones that were murdered by Mormon colonizers, to be forgiven, and that they can become “white and delight some” again, and return to live forever with that god who cursed them and destroyed them, and that this is the best thing they could ever possibly hope for, because he loves them SO VERY MUCH, and they can become exactly like him. What’s not to like, from the native perspective?

Even if you consider all of the horrible anti-black teaching and practices, they’re eclipsed by just how horrifically racist and harmful the “Lamanite” myth is. Mormonism doesn’t have a problem with white supremacy; Mormonism IS white supremacy. It should be abolished completely as a hateful, harmful ideology. - anon


- Doc

What does that have to do with the topic of the thread?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

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What does that have to do with the topic of the thread?

What do you make of the local newspaper, the Painesville Telegraph, publishing their article on the 21st, and then four days later Joseph Smith had his revelation?

- Doc

[Sledge]

I answered in the other thread.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I answered in the other thread.

No. You didn’t.

- Doc

[Everybody Wang Chung]

Any comment about the revelation that Martin Harris was not to covet his neighbors wife. D&C 19:25. Lucy reported her husband would watch the neighbour's house until her husband left and get go over and spend the night there. She also told to sell property to pay the debt to the printer. Read the pages in Dan Voge's bio of Smith pp.116-117. I remember the line from Silence of the Lambs "You covet what you see". Colby Townsend told me some information on the sale of the property. "That Don Bradley argues that she was scared about losing the whole property, which would have been a shame because it wasn't just Martin's property inherited from his family—they were first cousins. It was also an inheritance from her family because they shared family. So she waited until 1828 or 1829 to get Martin to divide the property in half, her side and his side. He used his side to pay for the printing of the Book of Mormon."

Hauslern,

There is no mention about the revelation that Martin was not to covet his neighbor's wife. The film portrays Martin as the good guy/husband and portrays his wife Lucy as evil.