Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Re: Other Incidents

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Nomad wrote:I guess it doesn't matter much to reveal it, so feel free to call me Damon.

Well then, "Damon," do us all a favor and stop letting your "friend" log into your account.

Nomad wrote:You are a liar.

Says the poster who has failed spectacularly and embarrassingly to document even a single lie.

Ironically, if you won't retract your accusation that I lied when I accurately attributed the "WilliamSchryver" handle to William, then you are knowingly propagating false information that has been corrected, which makes you the liar by your own standards.

Nomad wrote:In the minds of all fair minded people, this thread has proven that.

Mmhmm. Throughout this thread, you, Pahoran, Wade, and Droopy have attributed all kinds of misdeeds, manipulations, and machinations to me.

The problem for the lot of you is, someone from the MI has contacted me to let me know that this very thread was read, my case was heard, and the people there made a decision based on it. No one has yet contested that this information is accurate.

So either:

(1) The people at the Maxwell Institute are not very "fair-minded people."

OR

(2) The people at the Maxwell Institute were gullible enough to fall for the propagandistic manipulations of a scheming "anonymous intellectual hack" on the Internet.

Neither of which paints a very complimentary picture of the people at the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship.

Sounds like I have a much higher view of the MI than the lot of you. How about that.
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Re: Other Incidents

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Nomad wrote:You mean this quote that is NOT from Will Schryver? This quote that he explicitly denied having made. This quote made by someone who registered as "WilliamSchryver", made one post that he/she made to sound like Will, then never posted again?

Your lies continue. Amazing.

Keep it up and you're getting your own thread in the Terrestrial Forum a la the threads beastie did for rcrocket and I did for bcspace.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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In other words, you are relying upon gossip.


Eye-witness testimony Pahoran, the same kind of testimony that you and your ilk rely upon to claim there is evidence for the Book of Mormon. Except none of us claim to have seen it with our "spiritual" eyes.

Because, after all, the evidence has been conveniently expunged. And Will denies having used that term, which was not referred to by anyone who replied to Will before Harmony edited the post.


Conveniently expunged? No, Pahoran, "conveniently" expunged would be Joseph Smith conveniently expunging the translated 116 pages, because he couldn't risk having the original being uncovered at a later date, proving he was a fraud once compared to the second copy.
Harmony was simply following protocol as a Mod, by deleting the offensive material. Your argument that Harmony would have never referenced to the C-word as a "personal attack" is weak at best. In fact, borderline idiotic. Personal attacks and vulgarity typically go hand in hand, and are not mutually exclusive. What is your theory here, that she intentionally deleted it only because she thought it would be a good idea to accuse WIll of saying something he didn't say, despite the fact that there were numerous witnesses who could have seen it? Do you have any idea how stupid this sounds? I was in that thread, and while I don't recollect exactly what was said, it was enough to piss me off to the point that I challenged WIll face to face, as did DrCam. As far as I can tell, this was an unprecedented reaction for either of us. If it wasn't the C -word, it was something equal to that in vulgarity.

Now, tou claim you'd take Will's word over Harmony's any day of the week, but this says more about you and your devout loyalty to your tribe than it says anything about Harmony's credibility. Aren't you the same guy who gushed all over Will's presentation back in August, before it was undressed and shown to be a pretty dumb argument? You see my dear Pahoran, Will has a documented history of lying here and elsewhere, particularly when called out for saying things he wishes he could take back.

He was recently called out for calling Joseph Smith's first wife a B word, and he vehemently denied saying it only because he thought it was also deleted. But once the evidence was presented, he was forced to admit having said it. So he has a history of denying stuff he has said. In any other context, this would make Will's testimony worthless to all parties. But for you, it means nothing, since he's a fellow apologist and you're out to protect your own. For you, the evil apostates are always in the wrong. Just look at you reference Harmony as a horrible person for "deceiving" her Bishop during TR interviewing. You chose your dog in this fight long ago, and now that yours is bleeding and gasping for his last breath, you're upset because things didn't work out the way your Mormon worldview would suggest it should. The apologist is the liar here, not the apostate. Your argument amounts to nothing more than saying William didn't means what he said, because he now denies that he meant what he said. Well, duh! Obviously he is going to deny it NOW, but this is coming from a man who has a documented history of lying on these forums when he thinks he can get away with it.

Oh, and Rollos' failure to see the offensive comment doesn't mean it wasn't there. Obviously SOMETHING was there because the reaction from the crowd was extremely aggressive towards William. According to Will, he only said that Harmony was a hypocrite! Yeah, right. As if we'd be asking to go toe to toe with William over something like that!

You mean this quote that is NOT from Will Schryver? This quote that he explicitly denied having made. This quote made by someone who registered as "WilliamSchryver", made one post that he/she made to sound like Will, then never posted again?

This is exactly why I say you are a liar.


Pretty lame evidence she is a liar. Will has a history of signing up with different names and then deleting them. He did this at MAD years ago, and he deleted his account just last year, only to sign up yet again with another variant of "William Schryver." You and Pahoran are on weak ground because your argument amounts to nothing more than "you're all liars because Will says so!"

Of course, you do not understand the irony in that, and nether of you are prepared to address the indisputable instances of flat out lies, coming from this guy.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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You are a liar. In the minds of all fair minded people, this thread has proven that


Fair minded people using pseudonyms because they do not have the courage to come forth and associate their in real life identity with their own mantra here? IF you were so proud of your arguments in defense of the vulgar apologist, you wouldn't be afraid to provide your true identities.

And of course, the folks at NAMI are not fair-minded at all, right? Good luck trying to convince them of that.
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Re: Other Incidents

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Nomad wrote:snip


Hey Nomad, I took the time to respond to your silly allegations and questions on that other thread. When are you going to get back to me?

I couldn't help but notice that you more or less ran away from the ressponses that I posed to you.

I wonder why that is?

Did you sense danger down that road?
You're absolutely vile and obnoxious paternalistic air of intellectual superiority towards anyone who takes issue with your clear misapprehension of core LDS doctrine must give one pause. - Droopy
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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I just have to say that, although Will can be abrasive and sometimes genuinely insulting on discussion boards, I feel a sense of sadness for this new situation. I know that Will has put a lot of work into his KEP studies, presentation, and (probably) writings. Now it is all for naught. If Will would have acted differently, the situation may or may not be different today, and we will never know. Imagine, though, if you were about to be published. How exciting, and what an accomplishment that is! All of your hard work and research is about to finally pay off. Suddenly, because someone brought a sample of your behavior to the attention of the publisher, the publisher pulls the plug.

Just my two cents.

But I do have some questions for MSJack:

No offense intended, of course, and these are genuine questions. When composing this thread, why did you feel that you were the correct person to be the "judge, jury, and executioner" for Will? Other than being offended at his obviously insulting behavior, what led you to believe that you had the right to display it in such a manner, and to get the attention of the publisher?
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Simon Belmont wrote:No offense intended, of course, and these are genuine questions. When composing this thread, why did you feel that you were the correct person to be the "judge, jury, and executioner" for Will? Other than being offended at his obviously insulting behavior, what led you to believe that you had the right to display it in such a manner, and to get the attention of the publisher?


Will displayed his own behavior.

I think Ms. Jack more than adequately explained her concerns about how Will's behavior could impact females interested in Mormon Studies.

Personally, I still maintain she did them a HUGE favor. Sooner or later someone would open the closet and the skeleton would jump out. Many pages ago I mentioned the Deseret News article that mentioned the "Metcalfe is a Butthead" incident. Can you imagine the controversy THIS information would cause in another article?
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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All for naught? Does anyone here really believe Wilbur is just going to let this incident stop him from publishing his crap on the KEP? His ego simply could not handle that. I suspect he'll get all sorts of shoulders to cry on over at FAIR, and they'll publish his nonsense.

I think all of this is funny, and poetic justice really, if you consider Will's attacks on Bokovoy, and his not so veiled insinuation that it would be Bokovoy's career path in academics that would suffer for taking sides with the critics and disagreeing with his arguments and methodology.

Right now Wilbur is banging away at his thesaurus, working on his next string of responses, to assure us all that this whole thing was part of his plan.
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Re: Other Incidents

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I stand corrected. I thought Will had probably not said those things to harmony. Guess I was wrong.

MsJack wrote:
Nomad wrote:You mean this quote that is NOT from Will Schryver? This quote that he explicitly denied having made. This quote made by someone who registered as "WilliamSchryver", made one post that he/she made to sound like Will, then never posted again?

Your lies continue. Amazing.

Keep it up and you're getting your own thread in the Terrestrial Forum a la the threads beastie did for rcrocket and I did for bcspace.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Simon ~ Why did I do it?

Because none of you would.

William has been bragging for years about how his fellow apologists and saints have nothing but love and admiration for his vulgar, lewd and misogynist behavior. And the majority of you sat around and pretended you didn't hear him.

You want someone to blame for what happened on this thread, other than William? Blame yourselves. If you really are representatives of "the Church of Jesus Christ," this should have come from one of you. You should have seen that your brother's path was a self-destructive one and reprimanded him out of love and concern for him.

As to what gave me the right to do any of this:

Mormon Discussions Universal Rule #1a wrote:Everyone is welcome. Every opinion is welcome.

That's what gave me the right.

I sincerely hope that answers your questions.
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