Elder Holland: "Jesus Christ shaved off his beard."

[_karl61]

I knew the antichrists' were lurking somewhere.

[_Inconceivable]

I'll defer to your recollections. I bought it all when a missionary.

When I got there in '82, the mission had already changed from a 4 hour (BD) conversion to a 7 day conversion schedule. It didn't work at all either. The BD experiment was also done in Victoria.

You served your mission in Sydney? Did you ever get to the South Coast?

sorry everyone for the off topic bantor.

Ditto.

Nope, Victoria. What I did see from the road from a bike was beautiful.

[_Ray A]

Nope, Victoria. What I did see from the road from a bike was beautiful.

The "sunburnt" land is beautiful, no matter where you look from. Vic is a bit colder in winter, though.

[_Mister Scratch]

I'm not really sure why Coggins consider's Elder Holland's anecdote to be "anti-Mormon" in nature, but I sure do hope that good ol' Loran gets over his inferiority complex one of these days. Boy, those Church courts, and all of that other stuff sure does seem to have done a number on his confidence.

[_The Nehor]

I don't want to give credit to my understanding of what someone said to someone who has chosen (for whatever reason) to not make such a declaration in a publicly accessible forum. If this makes me less believable so be it.

No, not after death. In this life. Why wait?

Ah, okay. Well, this demonstrates why you don't want to "name names." The reason is that this General Authority was preaching false doctrine. As you and Harmony have both pointed out, a rank-and-file member simply cannot have the same kind of access to "Christ's Grad Seminars" as an apostle. In essence, whoever this nameless apostle was, has committed a grievous error.

What? I didn't say that. I said the opposite. Anyone who does what is needed can have that experience.

[_The Nehor]

The reason is that this General Authority was preaching false doctrine. As you and Harmony have both pointed out, a rank-and-file member simply cannot have the same kind of access to "Christ's Grad Seminars" as an apostle. In essence, whoever this nameless apostle was, has committed a grievous error.

I disagree, the experience is open to all.

You believe, then, that if you are righteous and obedient enough, you will be invited into the SLC temple in order to attend one of these "seminars"? Or do you believe instead that the Savior will appear at your doorstep in order to educate you?

I expect he can come to my doorstep or at night in my bedroom or during a walk I take or in a Temple. I don't get where you get the idea this is false doctrine. It's been around since the days of Joseph. Christ can give information and go to whoever he wishes. The Apostles couldn't stop him if they wanted to...and I don't think they do.

[_The Nehor]

Ya know, I just thought of something. There is in fact an interpretation that hasn't been considered. It is possible that the Brethren, in the midst of all their self-important religious pipe smoking, have really come to believe that Jesus is a semi rugged-looking white guy who now wears a suit with white shirt and power tie, shaves, and keeps his hair short.

It is further possible that this being the case, some semi rugged-looking white guy with a lot of self-confidence and a sense of humor snuck into the temple and announced himself as the Savior, and the Brethren bought into it like they bought into (literaly) Hoffman's forgeries. It's possible Holland really was telling the truth, and that very morning had received 'revelation' from a mid-tier CEO-looking guy that he believes is the resurrected Christ.

And this guy says we live in a fantasy world. I got a chuckle out of this.

[_The Nehor]

I don't want to give credit to my understanding of what someone said to someone who has chosen (for whatever reason) to not make such a declaration in a publicly accessible forum. If this makes me less believable so be it.

No, not after death. In this life. Why wait?

Ah, okay. Well, this demonstrates why you don't want to "name names." The reason is that this General Authority was preaching false doctrine. As you and Harmony have both pointed out, a rank-and-file member simply cannot have the same kind of access to "Christ's Grad Seminars" as an apostle. In essence, whoever this nameless apostle was, has committed a grievous error.

Oh, missed some of this post. The real reason I don't name names is I have a fairly good idea where they might end up. On a rehashed thread or in one of your blog entries where they are scrutinized and then some analysis is done to perhaps find a common link among them. Perhaps an accusation against them questioning why they haven't said these things more publicly. I know if I was the Apostle in question I wouldn't want my name and words in your hands. The whole Golden Rule thing. I'm kinda regretting bringing it up to be honest.

[_Coggins7]

I'm not really sure why Coggins consider's Elder Holland's anecdote to be "anti-Mormon" in nature, but I sure do hope that good ol' Loran gets over his inferiority complex one of these days. Boy, those Church courts, and all of that other stuff sure does seem to have done a number on his confidence.

Who's anecdote Scratch? I don't see any anecdote from Elder Holland here, only one from an unknown poster who says that some of his friends said such and such about something Holland is alleged to have said.

You should really get a job with the NY Times or CBS Evening News Scratch, this kind of analysis is just the thing they're looking for. The hearsay of an unknown poster at an obscure Internet forum about the hearsay of some other unknown Mormons becomes "Elder Holland's anecdote".

Its difficult to believe there are actually people out there for whom expecting less of them is a compliment.